Poll results for Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:46:24 PM

These are the poll results for What psychedelic is less likely to cause bad trips ordered by votes.



These are the poll results for What psychedelic is most likely to cause bad trips ordered by votes.

LSD moved up a tiny bit and is nearly tied with mushrooms.

lsd is not always lsd

i put my vote on shrooms as they still scare the bajeezus outta me
i find that aya is more welcoming

also set and setting i believe are to be more respected.
anyone can have a bad trip on any psychedelic if set and setting get too askew.

peace in every direction yall!

Neither are shrooms. I've seen reports of LSD laced "shrooms" many times when I lived back in San Francisco in the old days and even saw them being sold. People would take LSD and put about 1 hit worth on enokitake mushrooms and other similar exotic but cheap mushrooms, then put a little blue food coloring here and there and sell them for 5-10 times the price of a hit of LSD. Fools a lot a people who don't know much about mushrooms. They even fooled SWIM ONCE and SWIM got REALLY PISSED OFF at the seller. But that was many years ago. Now they’re usually spiked with other things from what I’ve read at the DEA web site.

Why wasn't salvia listed? In small doses I'd say salvia ranks #1, the queasy feeling that i'm disembodied can follow me for days.

On the list, i'd vote shrooms... they make me feel as if i'm already dead.. which begs the question why keep on breathing... then... hey, i think i just stopped breathing, etc. They're great!

Poll results for Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:57:31 PM

These are the poll results for What psychedelic is less likely to cause bad trips ordered by votes.



These are the poll results for What psychedelic is most likely to cause bad trips ordered by votes.

About those lsd laced shrooms. My buds and I used to buy them and knew quite well what they were(well more what they weren't). The folklore back then was that the Brotherhood of Eternal Love had filled a swimming pool with "B&B" mushrooms and then mixed in a couple of grams of pure lsd. They came frozen and were quite slimy but potent!

That's one problem with these polls. Unless you grew the actual mushrooms yourself, or made the LSD yourself, you really don't know what could be in it. LSD-laced “shrooms” were common in the old days. In SWIM’s area, all the LSD these days is not even LSD. It’s mostly phenethylamines. Phenethylamine based psychedelics are usually less likely to cause bad trips. Most people around here actually prefer the “new cleaner acid”, which is not LSD at all. I’m not sure what it is. It feels like a phenethylamine, sort of like 2C-I or something similar. SWIM knows what real LSD is like. It was common place in the old days. But today, there are lots of unusual phenethylamine based psychedelics like Bromo-DragonFLY and DOB that can fit on blotter paper.

Many people who've taken "LSD" and say they tripped for more than 20 hours, did NOT take LSD. LSD doesn't last that long. Bromo-DragonFLY and DOB can last that long.

Check out this link: http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/album40

There they have some pictures of blotter acid found to contain active compounds other than LSD such as 2CI, DOI, Bromo-dragonfly, DOB, and other stuff.

I've added a picture of blotter paper known to contain DOB. By looking at it, you can't tell it contains no LSD at all. It looks like a normal blotter. This kind of "acid" is pretty much all you can get in SWIM's area these days since most of the LSD labs have been shut down. I’m curious how many of the users on this forum who thought they used LSD actually used one of the other compounds. I bet it’s a lot, especially for the younger crowd. That's probably why LSD doesn't score higher than mushrooms these days. Many of the voters probably took acid that wasn't real LSD, but think it was.

NOTE: this picture was downloaded from the net. I did not take this picture.

Here's a picture of 5-MeO-AMT being sold as LSD on blotter paper. You really have NO IDEA what you're buying these days when you buy "acid".

Again, I downloaded this picture from the net. I did not take this picture.

I found out that the DEA finds that currently most of the LSD being sold in the USA is not LSD. If you don’t believe that, look at their site.

This is according to the DEA: "Submissions of blotter paper actually containing LSD are currently uncommon"

I’ll bet most of you who’ve taken “LSD” in the recent years and think it was LSD, actually took something else. That’s how it is in SWIM’s area, and the DEA in the USA also says this now. With all the RC's out there that fit on blotter, it's no wonder it's now commonplace according to the DEA.

Here's the page on the DEA website that states that fact:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0508/mg0508.html

In SWIM's area LSD is nearly impossible to get. It's all something else. SWIM knows because he used to know people who made LSD and got the real stuff back when he lived in San Francisco in the old days. LSD is very unique. The only other drug that is anything like LSD is mint oil treated HBWR seeds. Not even mescaline or psilocybin are as close to real LSD as mint oil treated HBWR seeds are. A low dose of mint oil treated HBWR seeds feels almost exactly like real LSD feels in the low dose range. If you're blotter doesn't feel like that in the low dose range, then it's not LSD. If you live in the USA, according to the DEA, chances are, the LSD you bought recently is not LSD. Blotter with real LSD on it is now rare in the USA. That is so sad.

swim can get the real deal.. straight from cali, you know its real when two small drops trip you out for 12 hours..

but recently the guy got popped, so swim has to rely on his other buddies with viles..

That's right baby, straight from the source. I do feel bad that the rest of you guys get ripped of with this rc shit 90 out of 100 times

They don't usually know it though. If you haven't had real LSD to compare to, how would you ever know you were ripped off with an LSD-like RC?

One way to tell, give your "acid" to an old time hippy and ask him what he thinks of it. During the 60's and early 70's more than 99% of the "acid" was real LSD. In the 90’s, that’s when these RCs started showing up more often. Nowadays, the RCs have pretty much taken over LSD. Most of the kids in SWIM’s area have no idea what real LSD is. They think they’re getting it on blotter, but they are not.

Blotters that aren’t tasteless are usually not real LSD. LSD is tasteless but does something weird to your mouth when you taste it. The tasteless blotters that don’t have the weird LSD metallic/electric feel you get in the mouth as soon as the LSD hits your mouth aren’t real LSD either. LSD affects the nerves in the mouth very slightly in a very unusual way as soon as it hits the mouth. I don’t know the proper way to explain it, but those who’ve had the real stuff know exactly what I’m talking about. You can feel LSD in your mouth, but can’t taste it.

If the acid lasts longer that about 8-12 hours, it isn’t LSD. Even massive overdoses of LSD don’t last 20+ hours. If the peak is long and drawn out, it isn’t LSD. LSD tends to have a very sharp peak. Some people can tell you the exact minute they are peaking. That’s how it is for SWIM.

The feeling tone of LSD is absolutely unique to LSD and the other psychedelic lysergic acid based alkaloids. The standard tryptamines do not have it. The phenethylamines do not have it. There’s an excited “happening” feeling to LSD that is only present in LSD and the HBWR treated with mint oil. It’s a feeling that is very hard to describe, but totally unique to lysergic acid derivatives. There’s a feeling that something important and exciting is “about to happen”, especially in the low dose range. It's a magical uplifting feeling. A low dose of HBWR treated with mint oil has that feeling, LSD has that feeling, and nothing else does. Those of you out there that had real LSD know what I’m talking about. It’s the magic of LSD that makes it so fantastic and so loved by so many people. The other alkaloid classes just don’t have it. They have a different feel to them.

It really is sad about lsd. I hope that someday it will be available again once society gets more enlightened. I'm sure glad that psilocybin,dmt & mescaline are ubiquitous to the extent that Big Brother couldn't stamp them out and they are in a form that you know for sure what they are. I think that society is on a rebound though. We are still suffering the effects of Nixon's war on the Counter Culture but I'm optimistic that things will get better. Yeah, but I was optimistic about the Age of Aquarius and the new Millennium...things sure turned to shit real fast once we got here. My optimism is back up again so we'll see what happens!

That feeling in the throat is the first thing i notice when i take LSD. With mushrooms i often get a simmilar feeling in my mouth and throat, but not as strong as with LSD. Within minutes after i had that stranges sensation in my mouth, i always get a bit hyperactive, like i drank very strong espresso. The psychedelic effects always start to kick in about an hour after i took the blotter.

I once had shrooms that felt very LSD-like, even started a thread on it here. But the dudes that gave it to me told me that they'd picked the shrooms themselves in ireland. I don't know what to think of it. Maybe it was psilocybe shrooms laced with acid. They definately where more then just acid, but i never had any shroom like those again. If they where, then the LSD-shroom combination is very worthwile to take.

I haven't read the whole thread yet but one thing I noticed was the absence of marijuana from the list. So many bad trip reports I have read that say "I smoked some pot at the tail end of the trip" then things went pear shaped followed by paranoia, collapse of reality and sometimes blackouts, and the psychedelic was always demonised and blamed when the obvious link was the joint.

LSD + psilocybin is a very nice combination. Also HBWR + psilocyibn is very similar. Most people like the combination.

LSD laced shrooms are a good idea, as long as the buyer is made aware of it.

DOB on blotter instead of LSD is also an excellent idea, as long as the buyer is made aware of it. Some people LOVE DOB for than LSD (not SWIM though).

SWIM hates mixing pot with other psychedelics. It makes SWIM feel like he's mentally retarded.

SWIM has to say that mushrooms have caused the most amount of k.o.'s for friends who more often than not get stuck in thought loops. This could be because they are considered an introductory psych and are the most common psych in introductory astronaut training. Though they usually really enjoy the experience in the long term. People usually learn alot on their first psych no matter what it is SWIM assumes.

They have also made SWIM feel the most unsettled of many psychs. As a good friend of SWIM's put it: "mushrooms are like you are trespassing" and he means tresspassing on the world (even what is familiar to you) and your own mind. SWIM still believes a light aya dose to be easier and possibly a better intro psych. Mushrooms have a long time knowledge of being safe psychs while "ayahuasca" may just confuse a person into turning down a taste.

mushrooms are forceful and not to be underestimated

SWIM personally thinks that shroomies have that 'eerie' vibe way more so than LSD does. He's not had a bad trip on any entheogen yet, so he's not one to talk, but he's always imagined a shroom trip going south much easier than a LSD trip.

With that said, he agrees that when a LSD trip goes sour, it is most likely much worse than a bad shroom trip. But what does he know?

edit: On mixing cannabis with entheogens - always with shrooms or LSD, 'never' with spice. For SWIM, cannabis greatly compliments shrooms especially. He doesn't get that stoned/baked feeling, but rather it extends his trip, and opens it up if he smokes a bowl right as effects start to kick in. It's wonderful! Great synergy for SWIM.

edit #2: 69ron, you repeatedly noted that LSD is known to cause more bad trips in the medical community. Could that be because LSD in the medical community is/was administered in a sterile, lab setting - with no comfortable factors? with people peering in at your every move, studying you? Similar to how DMT in the medical community always lends itself to having people see aliens, have abductions happen, etc...

How is it scientific fact?

Also, do you greatly dislike LSD? Lately, SWIM always seems to get a 'bad vibe' from your posts regarding LSD.