What entity would want a boot up their ass for daring to enter his imagination?

Some of you scientist types need to use the right side of your brain a little more.

I don't see entities. I wouldn't put my boot anywhere if I did see 'em, but I still don't. I believe Dr. Strassman's studies showed that a percentage (20% maybe? can't remember for sure) saw or felt entities of some sort. Not always pleasant ones either- remember Ken?

Pokey

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My father was in a place to know if Roswell happened or not. High ranking muckymuck, and all that. One evening, back when I was in high shool (somewhere around the pre-dawn of time) I came in to his study reading an article from National Inquirer quoting some Roswell dude on his deathbed proclaiming it was all real. Recanting his previous denial. My dad was reading the paper, all engrossed, and mumbled, "Well, it's about time they finally set that right." When he looked up and saw what I was reading, he clammed up and wouldn't discuss it further.


I'm a believer.

In custody? LOL!

The black ops part of our government has been working with them for the last 50 years if not more.

They are not coming, they are already here.

Not everybody sees entity's all the time. Some people never see them at all. I sometimes see them and sometimes i don't. I also don't bother much with them on évery ocassion i see them. Sometimes i just leave them because there are other things that draw my attention.

This thread has been a bit of a funny one. I've learned that psychedelics aren't in any way, shape or form, transformative for all people, AT ALL.

On the alien life front, I'm sorry but I think you have to be either incredibly naive or incredibly arrogant to believe with conviction that we are alone in all this. Lets say, as a very rough estimate, that there are 100 million stars in our galaxy, and 100 million galaxies in the known universe, with the possibilities of multiverses and other dimensions...I mean just do the maths.

I think one would have to have a very blinkered view on things to not even allow for the possibility of life elsewhere. I mean if we are alone in all this, then that is even more amazing! The religious nutters may be on to something...

However, I'm very sceptical as to whether aliens have visited our planet, and when I smoke DMT, I don't see any entities or aliens. I one encountered an octopus on mushrooms, but do I think that it was an alien? No. I think it was a complex and fascinating mental projection, due to a severe aberration of normal brain chemistry. And I guess this is my view on these phenomena until I experience otherwise.

Well, in fact there are 200 BILLION stars in the Milky Way Galaxy alone. And hundreds of BILLIONS of galaxies..... I take your point, but I wanted to include some specifics in order to magnify it.

I don't recall specifically where, but I had heard there are more stars in our universe than grains of sand on ALL THE BEACHES in the world, or some such crazy shit.

Yes thought there might be a few more stars and galaxies out there... I think people who deny any possibility of any extra terrestrial life out there with these figures in mind are very blinkered indeed.

Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

- Sir Arthur Charles Clarke

To be honest, I've yet to encounter anyone who has denied any possibility of it. Even the Vatican is on board with this way of thinking now!

Look, let's lay it to rest ok? Douglas Adams already showed us that no life exists. anywhere. To paraphrase; There's a pretty decent chance that the universe is infinite...or that there's an infinite number of universes. Given that there is an infinite space or spaces and by definition, planets that harbor life must be finite, we are looking at an infinite number of potential planets that could be inhabited and a finite number of planets that are actually inhabited. Thus you have an finite number divided by an infinite number and yielding the answer that no life exists in the universe. at all. anywhere.



Sorry, I'm enjoying this thread, I just couldn't resist,
SB

PS - I'm still a little surprised that this is how Hawking chose to address this subject, he must've been in a bad mood whenever he broached the topic this time around. There's no way this was the first time he gave this thought and suddenly came to this conclusion.

Then I'm getting off.


Seriously though, not much use in speculating on this, that's what scifi authors are for. Chances are good that if it hasn't happened yet, it's not going to happen in your lifetime. And if it does, I'm thoroughly convinced that some amalgamation of scifi literature and film is going to set the tone for how we handle it. So if you're really concerned with the matter, write a book or a screenplay.

Otherwise all we could do in the meantime is strive to make mankind as capable as possible, which we should doing regardless of the possibility of alien contact. But still, if it helps to consider the possibility of extra-terrestrials, gods, ancestors or what have you in order to imagine our embarrassment at our immense shortcomings to date, so be it, but I prefer to consider how future generations will look upon us.

Two members of my family who live in Texas were assaulted from behind and severely beaten and robbed. They were never asked to give up there money they would have agreed they were "Sucked Attached from behind" One of them suffered permanent brain damage and lost the sight in his right eye. I will not specify the race or immigration status of the four PUNKS who did this to them . But I will say they had no legal right to be in the USA. Three of them were minors and the other had just turned eighteen.

This also inspired me go get my legal permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Statics are just fine until you or some one dear to you becomes one of those numbers.

Man, I'm sorry to get all gutter nasty and below the belt here, MagikVenom... but is English actually even your first language? Cause I know a bunch of illegal aliens who would fuck your shit up in a grammar school spelling bee or special peoples' creative writing class.

Just sayin' is all - you've gotta know how REALLY badly you're coming across in here lately. It's as if you were "Sucked Attached from behind" by God hisself or something. Whatever the case, my opinion of you slides like mollases with each new ignorant post. I pity your fucked up view of the world and I'm glad I don't have to be you.

And would it be any better if they did? Plenty of legal citizens have done much worse. Personal vendetta doesn't justify a bigoted view. Gang bangers are gang bangers, no matter what their ethnicity or nationality.

I'm truly sorry and have compassion for you and your family for this incident.

But do you not see how violence begets violence? Something violent happened to someone you love and now you want to perpetrate violence on others as a result. What were the causes that led to them attacking your family? What were the circumstances? What happened in the perpetrators past that caused them at that moment to attack your family? The is no effect without a cause. Maybe a bunch of white people (making the assumption you are white, apologies if you are not) spit on them earlier that day, or ran down a friend of theirs in the street, or their parents are being exploited in some way...if that were the case are their actions justified? No. Are they understandable in context? Yes.

Can you change what happened? No. If you perpetrate violence upon others for this, they will in turn only pepetrate violence upon others in retalitation. It is a never ending cycle unless you can break it through forgiveness.

To evolve one must break the cycle, and embrace forgiveness. Forgiveness of self and others.

Hi Art, you came through to me as one of the most intelligent and sensitive guys here, may I ask what is the purpose of such personal attacks? (I suppose they MUST have a purpose). Some kind of balancing act against everyone trying to be so PC around here? Holding a mirror to MV? Or what?

I don't like racism. I don't like those who embrace it, I don't like those who espouse it, and I don't like it polluting this place. I tend to fight dirty. If that offends (and I know that it does) then I apologize to the group. It was aimed at someone whose publicly stated point of view is (to my way of thinking) disgusting.

I meant to offend - so the truth is that I'm probably not quite as sensitive as you'd maybe believed. I just don't like seeing people who are already downtrodden to begin with, then scapegoated and demonized because of race and economic factors beyond their control.

Forgive him. Do not judge.

He is only perpetuating something he does not understand. Hopefully the light of widsom will force back the darkness enough to create a spark of understanding.

You have quite high expectations, I think. To overcome racism is one of the most difficult things in human life. The fear of the "alien" is very deeply ingrained in our psyche. Most people find their own bunch ( on the basis of "like attracts like" ) and erect walls so that the "others" cannot invade their territory (take this subculture for instance or the science vs. religion debates). If that fear is fueled by negative personal experiences, then it is nearly impossible to remain open-minded.