Maybe I should not have hit the post button there...



Absolutely!! That's exactly what it was.
I am not a scientist at all nor did I claim in anyway to be one.
(Clearly...I mixed up subjective & objective...whoops:oops
But I do know & interact both professionally & personally with a number of them, on a daily basis.

I had no intention of debating anything with you, just to point out that what you where saying & the way you are saying it did not seem to be all that scientific, despite you saying that you where a scientist with a PhD.
The points you where making just seemed to not really be looking at things from all sides. Instead coming from the opinion of "I know best". Which is rather unscientific...ya know.

BTW, there is absolutely no need for any "proof"...that's kind of my point.

I think Art...like usual...said it a little better than I did though.

I apologize if I stepped on your toes, but like the other fellas said, I'm just a bit skeptical anymore when things are that uneven.

WS

Art, for someone who is not trying to attack, you're doing a hell of a job of it... once again... I am not discussing my career with you, I dont care what you think, is your ego that big that you think I'm trying to impress you or something?. Have you even graduated high school cuz apparently you can't even read... I'm not wasting my time explaining to you what you got wrong there, but I would advise you to carefull read all my posts again... but just like warrensaged you cant even sight 1 example of how I sound like a "high school dude" what does that even mean anyway? I was smart in high school as well... have you got a problem with high school kids... you sound like a hypocrite and read all my posts carefully again before attacking me. Just like the other post this one says nothing, you have nothing to say, nothing constructive, nothing usefull, your not even accurate in your attacks.

It's kind of amazing that DMT is getting that well known as to be available on the street.
I mean, I am not surprised that it is being seen around the Festis since DMT has made a comeback due to the internet but other than the Festi scene I can't imagine where to find any.
Indeed my first extraction was done because I knew that if I didn't extract it I would probably be waiting the rest of my life to try it.
I can see it being shared around amongst friends who know about it but can hardly picture it being sold on the street like crack or something.
But then what do I know. Weed is illegal but in most place Salvia is still legal and booze is legal everywhere. Having read Salvia reports ( I've smoked DMT but haven't experienced Salvia as of yet ) it amazes me how it is decided what is legal and illegal.

But that is the double edged sword of all these substances. The world needs them but the more you share it out the more danger one brings as irresponsible people play w/ sacred substances. The more I learn the less comfortable one gets sharing info. Especially sources.
These substances can be a lot of fun but are not toys and should be kept out of the hands of the irresponsible. But that makes us have to decide who gets to learn/do what and that goes against what most of us believe.
Quite a conundrum eh?

warrensaged, again dude, it seemed like "I know best" just doesnt cut it for me... I made rational well stated arguments and I backed up every one of my opinions... you havent even backed up any... I mean, where exactly did I come off as a know it all?? you're just not right on this one... and for a non scientist to question the scientific nature of my arguments without even sighting an example... well, it's just not valid.

Listen, I'm no scientist... and I don't pretend to be one. I could really care less about your credentials, education level, or any of your personal particulars.

But this place has a recent history of bullshit posts from bad intentioned, make-believe knuckleheads - and frankly, I'm kinda hoping you're one of them. Because your point of view is backwards and dangerous, and NOBODY should be taking DMT lightly or proselytizing indiscriminately. It's way too powerful and way too precious. And if you are what you say you are, you should know a fuck of a lot better.

Keep it discreet. Treat it with respect, and respect others' personal decisions. You know NADA about what's best for ANYONE OTHER THAN YOU. If you disagree with that basic premise, then I question whether or not you have even had the experience, PERIOD.

and to everyone else reading... is there any chance of some support here? I mean I really dont think these attacks are fair... I havent even said anything to warrant this... it's like getting judged in a contest I never even entered.

IME

Someone who uses words like "cuz" is more probably a high school kid than someone with Ph.D.

yeah Art, your no scientist so you're commenting on things you know nothing about... surprised you obviously still havent read the original post properly

"for those people sometimes I think it would be good to spike them or something because I think personally think they're wasting their lives... especially the religious puritan folks, obviously SWIM would never do such a thing, but 4. SWIM wonders what the world would be like if they took good drugs instead of bad ones...

Read it again with your glasses on.

There are no good drugs or bad drugs. There are just good ways and bad ways to use any drugs.

dread you'll never know and someone who nitpicks over slang has too much time on there hands.... once again, if you've got something constructive to say, say it, otherwise, why are you wasting your time?

How can time be wasted?

no bad drugs? right.. thats just idiotic.. there are more drugs that will kill you than will get you high... I use the word "cuz" and that's that childish???... yet you say there are no bad drugs and I'm in the wrong? you're the high school kid mate... you know nothing.

How can time be wasted? are you trying to be esoteric? cuz that's just a stupid remark.

Spiking anyone (puritanical or otherwise) would NEVER be a good thing. Personally, I wonder what the world would look like without half-assed campus "gurus" who pretend that dosing all those who enter into their orbit is anything more than an ego boost. I wonder what the Nexus would look like without the recent wave of people who seem to think this is somehow a good idea.

I've read the whole post. From beginning to end. I don't respect your point of view. Let's agree to leave it at that.

But all you are doing is stereotyping people with PhD's... I know of a few people with PhD's and one of them acts like a complete moron most of the time. So who is to say what a "PhD" person should act like?



And yet it happens every day in my city drinking water. I don't ask for fluoride in my water, yet it is put there "for my own good" based on its theoretical merits. [/quote]

Uncle Knucles... I think you're a fool who should shut his boring pointless mouth and stop twisting words around to suit your argument, plus I wrote multiple posts explaining my position from every angle... who said anything about dosing the world??? it was a speculative remark, a postulation, a thought experiment... You dont even have an opinion to respect... and you're using your amazing intuition to assume you know everything about everyone, which is so ignorant it's unbelievable, you dont know me, you know nothing about me, get off your high horse. I'm not gonna reply to another one of your posts, so dont waste your time...

I've never spiked anyone in my life, I dont remember even saying I did.

You kinda hope I'm a make-believe knucklehead?, you got issues man.

@lbeing789

Well, you voiced your opinions, which most people here apparently don't share. I know a good many scientists who actually have no ethical compass whatsoever, so I won't preclude that you are one.

I talked down a girl who was spiked with Acid in the early nineties - by a person who got more than just a mouthful from me and my friends afterwards, so don't expect any sympathy for your ideas from me there either. And LSD is child's play in comparison to spice.

pmm... geez man, r you just reading the attacks or my actual posts?... I NEVER SPIKED ANYONE... I even said originally that of course I would never do such a thing..... why am I getting shit for something I never even did or said?