fighting is rooted in animalistic tendencies, competition; and UFC is a man beating another into submission, or grappling/choking him to tap out. borderline homoerotic activities, that dates back to greco-roman wrastling.
yeah, i went there...it's the "art" of homoeroticism.

it's all good for fans of that sort of stuff, i'm not knocking their idea of entertainment; not my cup of tea, but they can have at it.

Interesting observation.

That would make JR maybe not the spokesman we would most desire but, since most people have a secret and therefore very powerfull longing for all that they surpress in themselves, a very effective spokesman nevertheless.

i suppose
then again, I suppose Diddy could be an effective spokesperson of sorts too, to people who've never been outside of their neighborhood.

ahh the power of a TV camera. it can give you the illusion that someone is an "expert" on matters which they are partial to, but I suppose the internet is no different.
I couldn't help but notice a lot of the musings uttered from Rogan sound eerily similar to Alien Dreamtime, a speech given by TM in 1993, but alas, your average roganite would call you an idiot for insinuating plagiarism.

and the guy has the nerve for calling out Mensia for ripping material?
"Hello, kettle. You're black."

Same old tired homophobic American response. I saw that coming

"Two guys wrestling around, hitting each other, with no shirt on? That's gay dude."

hehe

well, that is what they're doing... getting all wrapped up, mounting each other and choking each other's chickens into submission
but hey, they're tough guys; manly men

if you look back at history, the greeks and romans were openly gay. it's no surprise that wrastling is the way it is.
i'm not homophobic, it's just not my thing.

Well it definitely sounded rather homophobic to me. Same with this: "getting all wrapped up, mounting each other and choking each other's chickens into submission"

I really have a tough time getting why people see it as some homoerotic display. If they wore a Gi instead of fighting bare-chested, would it be different? I also find that the people who spout the homophobic crap the most are always the ones who aren't educated in martial arts or combat sports in the least. Were all grappling martial arts invented so that closet homosexuals could feel the warmth of another man's body? I don't buy it

I'm completely comfortable with my sexuality. If I wanted to see homoeroticism, I would watch some softcore gay porn or something.

Come to think of it, Joe Rogan is kinda sexy

I would think sex is the last thing on a fighters mind when he's getting his face pummeled in.

As for Joe Rogan, he appears friendly, healthy, successful and has a job a lot of people would kill for. He gets a lot of positive attention so him loving DMT is a great thing IMO. Scientology is completely whack, but it took off because celebrities caught on (I believe?).
So what if Joe embellishes the truth a little? He's getting many people interested who otherwise wouldn't go near it with a 100 foot pole. DMT is one of those things which will be hard to demonize (not to say they aren't trying!) The more Joe's we have, the better chance we stand IMO. How cool would it be if DMT became the next celebrity trend? Our population lives for celebrities. I don't understand it, but if the news outlets aren't fear mongering, they're celebrity stalking

Dmt Becoming a celebrity trend would be cool but i fear DMT will be exposed to the wrong person the kinda person who would make this substance appear dangerous therefor scaring anyone who is unaware of this spirit molecule but thats just my thoughts.

JR: good.

his stand up is hilarious... very clever in parts

dmt is part of the world. he shouldn't have to omit anything from his act.

seperate note:

I think the homoeroticism comes up because people who suppress their natural tendencies sometimes lash out in odd ways in an attempt to relieve the pressure (go ahead giggle.. ) Some off the tough mean bully type guys from highschool turned out to be gay. Its easy to make (possibly incorrect) assumptions that there may have been a correlation between their aggression and their suppressed homosexual lifestyle.

it's ok for you guys to admit you're into S&M and voyeurism
I won't judge.

This is my thinking as well. Fighters are in there trying to win, or at the very least, not get injured. Not much room for homosexual fantasies...

I also agree with the whole Joe Rogan thing. He's a celebrity, and he's bringing attention to DMT, which isn't a bad thing IMO. It's already illegal, what else can "they" do? The Nexus is pioneering some great non-toxic teks that only involve the use of normal household products, which they can't make illegal. A ban on veg. oil?

I'm glad there are people here who do get it. He's a funny guy, and he should be allowed to talk about whatever he wants. He's pretty passionate about DMT and some other psychedelics, and if he sugar-coats the truth a bit to get people interested, I don't mind.

That's definitely the way I see it, and it seems to be the most reasonable explanation...about the suppressed homosexual urges. I ran into a guy who used to try to bully me in high school about a year and a half ago...He apologized, and his boyfriend was also very polite. I even have a friend who used to act like a bully sometimes way back when, and now he's openly bisexual. Repressed sexuality can make people act out in strange ways.

The more you talk, the more you expose your secret longing for sweaty man-flesh.

So we've reached the point in this discussion where we can draw the conclusion that joe rogan would be 1-a bad spokesperson for homosexuals because people would be inclined to think that all gay man have sadomasochistic tendencies if he where to be representative for homosexual men. 2-A good spokesman for the DMT user, even though he would not be representative for the average DMT-user at all, because people with surpressed homosexual feelings, surpressed masochistic feelings, surpressed sadistic feelings or surpressed tendencies of voyeurism could feel DMT use could offer them an outlet for all of their frustrated feelings...and therefore if he would be a speaker at a republican convention and do his DMT talk once more, DMT would probably be legalised within the very same day.

I kinda like my truth naked like i like my men...errr....women WOMEN! I cannot see why DMT cannot be "demonised", things with far less intensity have been demonised (cannabis for example). Demonising is something that can happen with anything if the person doing it knows how to do it "correctly".

In my book it would not be "cool" if DMT was the next "celebrity trend" , propably because i do not care for "coolness" -it was a thing of the high school years, if it ever was something for me. The problem with a celebrity trend is that people simply buy into it without any thought, they do it just to do it , they do it so that that others can see or they can tell them about it, they do it just because. Now, if someone thinks that DMT (or any drug) has an innate quality of "illuminating" people , "waking people up",making them more "thoughtfull" or automatically bestows any other positively rebelious qualities to the individual using it then the above reasoning holds some water: we might as well drop LSD in the water mains...Hmmm, come to think about it LSD was once a trend . In fewer words, popularity -in my eyes- is not the target, a simple "number" of people exposed to DMT does not suffice.

What they could do? No, certainly not ban vegetable oil....But if they gear up making DMT containing plants "more illegal" (ie enforcing the law strictly and actively, the same way you usually cannot ship easily 500 grams of cannabis in the mail), then...you can have all the veggie oil, NaOH, Lime, naptha you want. You will be though in dire need for a tek that extracts DMT from...thin air!

Anyway, thumbs up for people who think "popularity through celebrities" is "cool" , and thumbs up also to those who think its not Whether we like it or not its of little importance as things go. Personally i feel no need for spokesperson, if you would like my opinion i would preffer it more if the scene had more people like david nichols or shulgin. But thats old boring Crystalito liking his men with white beard....mmmmmm beeeeeards! . Now, how totally UNCOOL is that?

exactly

an expert/spokesperson wouldn't say things along the lines of "dude, you're totally f$%^ed up on dmt everytime you dream".
not exactly the elocution skills of an erudite in psychopharmacology.

my concern is that some of his dimwit fans will take his words too seriously, then make the 10 o'clock news because they won a Darwin award.

2 cents: i first heard about Yage from Burroughs, not Rogan. I was rereading Naked Lunch recently, and it is absolutely rife with errors/inaccuracies. It's regrettable, but hardly a reason to eject him from the pantheon of "drug literature." People work with the information given to him at the time, maybe Rogan actually believes the stuff about the pineal gland. Or maybe it is just easier to gloss over the minutiae when preparing his videos for a mass audience.

What i think is really at stake is people's perception that their smug little underground scene might become "trendy" if UFC meatheads start taking drugs. Jocks need spirit guides too??? Heaven forbid!

I can certainly empathize with the frustrations of pseudo-science and conjecture regurgitated as gospel. It makes me bristle when Kanye raps about the government creating AIDS & crack to harm black people. [To be fair, there is zero evidence the government created crack. They merely sold it.] But still i like his records, because the inaccuracies are such a small part of it.

I'm glad Joe Rogan has had positive experiences with DMT. If you think you'd make a better candidate for DMT Spokesman, make your own youtube videos. Other than that i think the whole thing is rather ridiculous.

"Im gonna tell you something about me Joe Rogan that you might not know. I smoke rocks." - Tyrone Biggums

Crystalito you only quoted part of my statement and took what I said entirely out of context.
I don't care for loving celebrities but more than half the population is obsessed And those same people probably wouldn't give science a second thought because it's "boring"(not my opinion I think science is cool there's that word again). So while truth, science and shulgin are great for information, the majority will just ignore them. If we want laws to change, we need a MAJORITY, and celebrities have quite the capability to do that.
Again, I don't get the obsession with celebrities and don't follow any of that stuff myself, I'm thinking of the benefit of spice and what I think is the most likely way to get things to change.
Seriously? Cool is a descriptive word to replace good, neat, etc. Clearly I wasn't referring to highschool cliques and the "in crowd" b/s. Get off that high horse man.

Also people who hear about spice from Joe will likely do a lot more research on it before trying it, it's not like it's the most available thing.

Edit: I think the research to back up the fact spice is harmless will be completely neccesary in this process of law changing as well, but its not going to get the word out very well. Claims of religious use will probably be the #1 way to get a positive public view on it. Celebrities are the best way to spread the word IMO.

that's somewhat idealistic.
realistically, there would need to be a medicinal use for DMT.
comedians will not sway political opinion, especially when many politicians are in bed with big pharma lobbyists.

ironically, the close cousins of DMT (triptans) are already widely available as antimigraine meds.

Yeah finding a medicinal use will definitely make things way better for us. But support in numbers and a positive public view will make a difference too. Pot has loads of medicinal uses, but the general public (or at least the majority; California's recent vote on the subject is an example.) still thinks it's some devil in disguise thus the laws haven't changed (yet).
I still believe religious use is the best way to go at the moment, with the progress the UDV has made in court.

Now don't get me wrong, someone like brittney spears or miley cyrus will do nothing but harm spice's status. We need well-off liked stable celebrities.
Benzyme's right, comedians will probably not sway political opinions. That's not the point though. Joe definitely has the ability to sway public opinions and I believe that does make a difference.

I kind of like that he is making DMT more popular, even if he is spewing inacurate things about it. I don't think it should be something that should be unknown to anyone that might be interested in it. I personally have seen it alter peoples lives completely in a positive way. I didn't find DMT through Joe, but I'm glad a lot of people have. The more people that know about DMT and try it, especially those in fields of science like chemistry, biology and biochemistry, they will add to our understanding of the substance and add new techniques for extraction and usage.

I heard I think it was Terrence Mckenna talking about how DMT should be the front page news story in every newspaper if we lived in a better society, and I couldn't agree more.

good points, ES and Auto.
I concur.

DMT isn't the most harmful thing out there by any means, and any false-bravado prone douche would drop to his knees begging for forgiveness after getting hyperpunted.