DPT is one thing I am determined to find sooner or later..how does it compare to DMT benz? Long live the unwoke.
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it's just a half-step lower than DMT, in terms of intensity and sensory perception. the spice trumps all. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Shulgin is a product of nature and thus, nature created all of these "designer" chemicals.
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benzyme wrote:never insufflated 2cb, but did with DPT (holy shit)
"party drugs" are just a media label for misunderstood compounds, like "date-rape drug" for GHB.
MDMA is another so-called "party drug" that has utility in treating PTSD; hell, they used to be called "designer drugs", as an analogy for designer jeans.
the application is only limited by the imagination SWIM agrees whole heartedly! GHB was an amazing antidepressent which the FDA made illegal the day that prozac hit the market. And yes MDMA is an incredible psychotheraputic tool, tricycle magazine had a really great article years ago from a buddhist monk who gave dharma talks on compassion while ingesting MDMA. But it is viewed as a dangerous party drug with no worth in many spiritual entheogenic circles. Not to mention the healing of PTSD. Well if you ever get a chance, the insulation of 2cb at just 10-15mg is mind blowing and might as well be a totally different compound in its effects if it is snuffed. SWIM would say that its effects as far as full immersion is concerned is much like DMT. Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Cloud wrote:Shulgin is a product of nature and thus, nature created all of these "designer" chemicals. I also agree with that whole heartedly... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Any drug can be used and abused. If you approach a drug from the aspect of student/teacher ANY drug can have something to teach you, whether the lesson is easy or hard. If a person has an enjoyable experience, they will be more inclined to want to relive that "lesson".. and this in itself is a lesson. We always have a choice.
Self reliance and authenticity are the most important aspects of being human.
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The Traveler wrote:...maybe (Shulgin) over time got new insights that contradict his earlier comments. It's worth mentioning that this quote was published in February 26, 2010 in the trailer of an upcoming MAPS documentary: Sasha Shulgin wrote:The whole psychedelic area is one of the individual being the source of the activity, not the compound. The compound allows you to experience that... and relive and get into memory, and get into recall and get into understanding. And THAT is the valuable psychedelic world.
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he has a way with words... Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Dorge wrote:Ice House Shaman wrote:I find 2CB to be a perp, a knock off, a counterfiet and most of all a let down.
I'm sure it is ideal for all those out there who dont care to deal with the heavy inwards refection that entheogens produce.
2CB is an immitator, an ammature, great at tracers and a little light here and there.
2CB is a party drug.
I guess it has its time and place, for some.
I've been down that road so many times, I am always left with disapointment.
I'll take Mescaline any day. As I said... what do the shamans know that we do not... cough... I would say your disappointment of it is its disappointment of you... I had always thought the same. 15 mg orally is almost uncomfortable to me: no insight, a hollow trance... safe and entertaining anyway... compared to natural products and LSD which "open" your vision at 360 degrees, 2C-B reach at most an hemisphere of the hyperspace dimension... BTW the Drittewelle product, one hundred 10mg tablets, was sent to me from the Kaikos islands (a british protectorate in the Gulf of Mexico) many years ago. The last summer 2009 it was still active. It was more than 20 years ago and this story of south-african shamans was reported on Entheogen Review, where I found the address to order this stuff, that I paid with 100 bucks hidden in paper-mail. 
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