You're preaching to the choir man. That's my point. It's too late. An entire era of people turning on to DMT are fed that hypothesis (they probably never even read the book anyway and only got it 3rd (or 4th or more) hand). These aren't people that are going to read his recent work (or even think critically for that matter).

Do you see what I mean?

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Totally. I hope the movie puts this myth to rest.

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You know, I'll be optimistic about it also and agree there. The preview interviews that I've seen from the movie are actually much more reasonable in terms of separating talking about personal experience, and postulating scientific hypothesis that will get picked up mistakenly as fact by popular culture.

What anyone says about DMT, including this rogan character, doesn't change swim's relationship to DMT one bit, and never will.
However, I'm always open to other's views even if they clash with my own. There's always something to learn, even from those whom one disagrees with. Personally, I second 69ron's take on the whole thing.

i've said it before, and I'll say it again..
the man simply went about advocating it irresponsibly, a la Leary, albeit not to the same extent. he has a whole legion of followers (many of them not very bright) who take his word as truth. they're like people who believe what they see on the news at face value

misguided information is what it amounts to. strassman proposes hypotheses, and rogan preaches it as gospel

Well Leary had a great impact on the world. Comparing him to Leary is a complement I think.

Many people loved Leary for what he did (including me), some did not. No one is going to satisfy all people whenever they preach anything. That’s just not realistic. I find flaws in every speaker there ever was. Humans are full of flaws. I am. You are. We all are.

Even the greatest presidents of the US had people who hated them. You can't please everyone.

Leary was idealistic, nothing wrong with that I suppose...
but what is wrong is leading people to believe that there is a universal truth in a psychedelic, and everything else is a farce. not very responsible..

some people are truly sick, and act upon their steadfast beliefs. those people should not have something so psychoactively strong advocated to them, and others are just idiots who will try stupid human tricks on LSD or DMT.
they'll get the Darwin Award, but unfortunately, media will put their spin on it and more vendors will feel the wrath of big brother.

I don't see it that way. In my opinion Leary did a good thing. Does that make me any less of a human? I don't think so. It just means I have a different way of looking at it, and I approve of what he did. I think on a whole, he was a benefit to man kind.

You'll never get 100% agreement on any speaker. We all think differently. Many effective speakers are like politicians and do stretch the truth. Scientists are often boring speakers. People like someone that’s interesting as a speaker. That’s why Leary and not Hofmann was so popular.

This tickled me

All I see is a guy that smoked some DMT, was blown away, obviously changed by the experience and wanted to tell others about it.

I dont see Rogan as really that disrespectful..Hes not on stage smoking DMT..hes not on youtube smoking DMT..its obvious he understands set and setting..the guy has his own isolation tank for gods sake..

I also agree with Ron on Leary..I really love Timothy Leary..some of his books really changed the way I thought about certain things and got me interested in the human nervous system and the idea behind imprinting.

I personally think Leary was wrong about nearly everything he thought about psychedelics. Despite that I think what he did was massively important. He took LSD out of the ivory tower and gave it to the masses. If this never happened people like us would have never heard about lsd never tried lsd. I couldn't imagine my life without that so in that sense I owe Leary and co. a lot. It did bring about the wrath of the government but thats fine with me we are battling our way back for our rights. Thats how it goes. Once the genie's out of the bottle it can never really be put back.

As far as Strassman this kind of thing happens all the time. Think about the vaccine issue recently. Most people hear something about autism and vaccines and they all believe it. Thats despite scientists showing that vaccines have nothing to do with autism. No one listens to scientists they prefer people who are sensationalists.

Exactly. Like it or not, that's reality and that's why we'll never have a really good president in the USA. We vote for sales people, sensationalists, etc. People follow preachers, not scientists. A good speaker is somehow who can please a crowd and get their point across effectively. They don't need hard facts, they need to sound good.

I need hard facts, but I know not to expect that from anyone who's going to be out there talking about DMT, LSD, or anything like that who's going to be a popular spokesperson. The two just don't go hand in hand. I'm mean look at McKenna. He gave lots of lectures, and had lots of bazaar ideas. I saw him speak in person in San Francisco. It was fascinating, but a lot of his ideas were hard to swallow, but he was interesting to listen too. That's what counts in today's world. If you get up there and speak 100% pure science to everyone, people will leave the lecture out of boredom. I wouldn't, but most people would. People like McKenna, Leary, etc., knew that. They were good at keeping a crowd interested. They loved it. That's what made them good speakers.

When it's all said and done, what really matters is that the speaker is entertaining. People will listen to gobbledygook if it's entertaining. Heck I'll even do that sometimes. They'll listen to science if it's entertaining too, but it's harder to make science entertaining. I'll sit and absorb facts. I love that, especially if its something I'm interested in.

People selected to listen to Leary. They bought tickets to his lectures, bought his books, etc. They selected to listen to McKenna, bought his books, paid to see him. Now people select to listen to Rogan. They don't select to listen to the real scientists. That's just how it is. Don't blame Leary, McKenna, Rogan. Blame the people who select these types to represent them.

Anyway, my point is if you're expecting a popular public speaker to be 100% factual and accurate, you're living in make believe land. It's just not going to happen.

Wow, you really don't think there is a difference? McKenna was an inspiring, intelligent man with fantastic and colorful visions which he could talk about in a breathtakingly beautiful manner.

Rogan is just about: "YO MAN COOL DMT CHECK IT OUT. PINEAL GLAND!"

I definitely hear some hints of elitism in your words. You don't like his style. That's fine. No one likes everyone.

There is a difference between all speakers. They each have different kinds of personalities and have different fans who select to hear them. Fans of Rogan would probably not be fans of McKenna and visa versa. This is to be expected. But to put one down because they have a different style and speak to a difference audience, well, I'm not sure I like that way of thinking. That's elitism.

Strongly Agree

I like Mckenna. He is great with words and I think he does a great job of assessing the things that our society is troubled with. I don't buy into his timewave stuff... however its really interesting and I think novelty theory correlates to what is happening to humans and the universe in general.

I don't blame Rogan, people blow it out of proportion. I rarely hear people in my location make an immediate association between DMT and pineal gland stuff or dreams and what not. I would hope the average person would do the research themselves. Its the year 2010, and Reefer Madness isn't the only source of education. Anyone who googles DMT will know better than to blindly follow Joe Rogan. Anytime I hear of something I am unsure of, I simply bound across my living room to my computer and do some research. It doesn't take long to piece together your friends opinions and what you've found on your own to form a somewhat reasonable opinion about a topic.

If Dmt is not produced in the Pineal Gland, can someone post a source on where it could be produced? Is there a new theory cirulating somewhere?

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Elpo

69Joe, you make great points. I couldn't agree more.

Agreed its ignorant to say his words are unimportant just because you dont like his method of speaking. The reason he spouts strassman theories is because there really arent any other ones out there and if there are they arent very well known.I would also like to mention Joe Rogan is in the Spirit Molecule movie Doug Stanhope talks about DMT youtube it and I think it was speculated before that 69ron was joe rogan.

http://www.youtube.com/w...cFU&feature=related good interview
http://www.youtube.com/w...N_w&feature=related Alex jones/Joe Rogan talking about govt use of dmt