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Virola78
#41 Posted : 3/8/2010 4:51:00 PM
Aegle im sorry to hear about your dad. My grandpa died of cancer and yes he was a heavy smoker. So am i. Since grandpa will be part of the trip to come i feel this thread fits the picture very well. I will stop smoking now. Ty.

“The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
 
jamie
Salvia divinorum expert | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growingSenior Member | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growing
#42 Posted : 3/8/2010 5:42:53 PM
sillysyban wrote:
Aegle,
I am very sorry to hear about your dad. The only advise I can give is to make sure you let him know how truly special he is to you and live your lives as though it could end tomorrow. My dad passed away 4 months ago to lung and throat cancer from a life of smoking. He was diagnosed and and told he had six months. He died a week later. I was very close to him and we constantly told each other how we felt. When he passed I felt so grateful that we had always voiced our love for each other and there were no words unsaid or emotions kept hidden. I dont know what your relationship to him is. You sound as though you love him very much. Make sure he knows that.
As for cigarettes being illegal I do not think that is the answer. Yes there are corporations making millions of dollars but the fact is people will smoke and if its illegal the criminals will be the ones making millions and bringing the extra violence etc that comes with criminal networks. At least people know what they are buying when legal. I think all drugs should be legal. Every weekend there are kids popping pills that have no idea of what they are actually taking. If these thing were legal people would know exactly what they are getting and far less people would die from poisoning or overdose.

Tell your dad good luck with his new life and freedom from cigarettes.


I dont agree sillysyban..

I think that the sale of cigarettes in the form we are talking about here should be banned. I think this is the job of the FDA...I dont think it should be legal to sell and make profit off things that are put out there as consumable when they are not safely consumable.

Drugs should be legal yes..take cannabis for instance..cannabis should be legal, but it should NOT be legal for companies to mass produce the stuff, pumping it full of extra toxins and addictive components..and add filters to them that leave fiberglass deposits in the lungs that will cause further health problems down the road..package it up as a consumable product and sell it to the public, reguardless of how many warnings they place on the lables.

There should be protocalls put into place by the fda that controll these things. There should be a standard for consumable products that makes sure these things are safe, which most sommercial tobacco is not.

People would still be able to get tobacoo..it yould just be unadulterated, pure stuff. Organic. With a different system of filtration other than the fiberglass, or just loose pipe tobacco. '

Even if cigarretes the way they are now became a black market thing..Id rather see that than see what I see now..these tobacco companies bastards have made enough money killing people and selling poison to children through appeal. On the black market not as many people would be smoking these cigarretes anyway, becasue not that many people would be willing to go there, theyd just go to the tobacco store where they could legally buy organic grade tobacco.

Now, Im not saying that these adulterated cigarrettes should be illegal..I am saying the SALE of them should be.

To make a plant illegal is a very stupid thing..all plants and herbs should be legal to buy and sell..but the sale of adulterated plants, herbs or anything else is a different story.

To me this is the exact same way I feel about things like teflon..the fda should ban the sale of it becasue its a poison, its a danger to the human population to cook with the stuff. Doesnt mean that they come and take all your teflon pans away, or ban the sale of cookware..but that they put a stop to the sale of the teflon cookware.

The problem with the FDA is that they dont do ther job. All they do is go after the money. They abuse their power and ban things based on the incentives of other rich industires..going after cannabis products, yet leaving things like tobacco products adulterated with poisons and sold to the public alone. Its discusting.

This in no way makes anyone able to tell you that you cant have this or that on you..you cant get a fine for having a pack of adulterated tobacco on you..people could still go ahead and adulterate their own tobacco and smoke it if they wanted to..but in no way would they be legally able to sell that poison to the public.
Long live the unwoke.
 
burnt
Extreme Chemical expertChemical expertSenior Member
#43 Posted : 3/8/2010 6:03:14 PM
Absolutely anything that undergoes incomplete combustion generates carcinogens. Barbequeing food burning tobacco smoking weed all these things generate carcinogens. Cannabis has never been associated with lung cancer and tobacco has so thats encouraging for cannabis only smokers (this might have something to do with anti cancer compounds in cannabis but thats debatable).

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People would still be able to get tobacoo..it yould just be unadulterated, pure stuff. Organic. With a different system of filtration other than the fiberglass, or just loose pipe tobacco. '


You honestly think that "organic" tobacco is better for you? Thats so misinformed. (edit sorry you didn't say that. But incase some people think that I'll leave my comment).

These ideas that its "the additives" is total bullshit. Its the incomplete combustion which generates polyaromatic hydrocarbons which are metabolized into epoxides in the body which can bind to an interact with DNA causing mutations that could cause cancer. Its not the "chemical's" these "evil" companies are adding into them.

Don't blame the FDA blame the addict. The FDA did its job. It told people the truth "smoking tobacco can cause cancer". Despite massive lobbying by tobacco companies the FDA did it when it had the evidence. Don't blame the packaging nor the distributors. Its the addicts behavioral problem that is the problem with any addiction. Once people grow up and realize that we can start really helping people who are addicts. As long as its blamed on other factors that won't happen and that to me is quite sad.

 
jamie
Salvia divinorum expert | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growingSenior Member | Skills: Plant growing, Ayahuasca brewing, Mushroom growing
#44 Posted : 3/8/2010 6:09:36 PM
^^
Thats not what I said though, nor was it my point..
Its pointless to act as if they additives dont make it much worse.

I dont care if a plant itself causes concerns..look at datura it should stay legal as well..reguardless they should NOT be allowed to adulterate something with more toxins like that and sell it.
Long live the unwoke.
 
burnt
Extreme Chemical expertChemical expertSenior Member
#45 Posted : 3/8/2010 6:13:43 PM
Your assuming that anything chemical added to tobacco is bad or carcinogenic. Which is not true. In some cases additives to food or other products make them safer.

I don't know everything thats added to tobacco or why its added so I won't comment further. Well actually I looked it up. Most of the components are components of essential oils or synthetic derivatives thereof. Some are preservatives (all GRAS certified). Every single compound added to tobacco is also aloud to be added to food. That doesn't mean its safe to burn and inhale but like I said ANYTHING that undergoes incomplete combustion is not safe.

By the way the filters are made out of cellulose acetate fibers not glass fiber.

Sorry I forgot to say. That the real reason additives are bad is that they make tobacco easier for most people to smoke. But again that's easy to avoid --> don't smoke.

 
Aegle
Senior Member | Skills: South African botanicals, Mushroom cultivator, Changa enthusiast, Permaculture, Counselling, Photography, Writing
#46 Posted : 3/10/2010 4:01:43 PM
Virola78

Thank you my friend, he is healing really well and he seems to have a new lease on life which is such a beautiful thing to see. I'm terribly sorry to hear about your grandpa i hope that you have found some peace. Wow that's amazing to hear, keep me posted on how your quiting journey goes my heart is over filled with pure joy and happiness to read those words my friend. Thank you for making my day, the one and only reason i created this thread was to inspire members of the Nexus to stop smoking. I wish you all the luck in the world...


Much Peace and Sunshine

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Virola78
#47 Posted : 3/11/2010 10:16:32 AM
Aegle wrote:
Virola78

Thank you my friend, he is healing really well and he seems to have a new lease on life which is such a beautiful thing to see. I'm terribly sorry to hear about your grandpa i hope that you have found some peace. Wow that's amazing to hear, keep me posted on how your quiting journey goes my heart is over filled with pure joy and happiness to read those words my friend. Thank you for making my day, the one and only reason i created this thread was to inspire members of the Nexus to stop smoking. I wish you all the luck in the world...


Much Peace and Sunshine



Well thats good news then Smile about the healing of your dad.

Dont worry bout my grandpa. I wont. He wont. Hes been dead for long time. Thoughts about him still make me cry. But it is not pain.
And i dont mind those tears.

Pfoeeej quiting smoking is a pain in the ass. I am constantly busy keeping my thoughts under control, cause they constantly drift off into short tempered grumpiness. And i do not like being grumpy. So thats making me grumpy. Anyways, i will win simply by waiting till its over Smile

“The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
 
Aegle
Senior Member | Skills: South African botanicals, Mushroom cultivator, Changa enthusiast, Permaculture, Counselling, Photography, Writing
#48 Posted : 3/12/2010 11:25:27 AM
Virola78

*Sprinkles magical ungrumpyfy dust over you*... I wish you all the luck in the world my friend keep strong... :b


Much Peace and Compassion
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