I personally don´t have any experience with the "Bat" VG model...
...but...
I do have an experience with the Glass Sherlock VG (GVG). I didn´t believe all the glory rhapsodized in behalf of the GVG until I finally ordered and tried one.
I cannot give you any solid proof except my own experience: it REALLY works better than any other method I used so far (being it bong, crack pipe, bulb-style-vaporizer...).
Really.
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Michal_R wrote:
I cannot give you any solid proof except my own experience: it REALLY works better than any other method I used so far (being it bong, crack pipe, bulb-style-vaporizer...).
Really.
Of course  These days I can breakthrough with 19-22mg in single inhalation which really means efficiency and saved DMT. All one needs is proper technique... When I was beginning to use the GVG I needed bit more material but these days I can breakthrough with less. It's so efficient that it used to be scary 
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ziggus wrote:Cosmic_Reality wrote:I ordered the "Glass Vapor genie Bat"... Is the Bat model appropriate, for proper use with Dimitry? You'll get frustrated with the glass bat. It's a holiday today, so you might still have time to change the order. I dont have enough to switch from the Bat to the shirlock  I looked at the two, they dont seam to differnt. But I just hope I can vape DMT correctly.... If theres anyone here who has used the GVG-Bat, let me know how it was. "Your mind is like a parachute, it only works when its open"
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Cosmic_Reality wrote:
If theres anyone here who has used the GVG-Bat, let me know how it was.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23876My only experience is with the sherlock but they ^^^ talk about the bat here I can only attest to the Sherlock's ability to function as you want it to, each time, every time using Gibran2's copper mesh advice. When I ordered my money was very tight too, but I waited until the I had enough for the sherlock with the hard case. I have regretted spending money in the past, this was NOT one of those times. Good luck to you. Ray
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Cosmic_Reality wrote:ziggus wrote:Cosmic_Reality wrote:I ordered the "Glass Vapor genie Bat"... Is the Bat model appropriate, for proper use with Dimitry? You'll get frustrated with the glass bat. It's a holiday today, so you might still have time to change the order. I dont have enough to switch from the Bat to the shirlock I looked at the two, they dont seam to differnt. But I just hope I can vape DMT correctly.... If theres anyone here who has used the GVG-Bat, let me know how it was. If they haven't dispatched your item ask if you can trade it to a wooden CARVED vaporgenie, I guarantee it's better for DMT than the bat.
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Doesn't the picture of the bat in the bat discussion look like a LOT of "wasted" material stuck all over the inside? I know you can recover it as oxide, but isn't that what I;m seeing? Is it less efficient (most likely) or? Please understand I'm not picking on a specific piece, just curious what other nexians think. Especially you tele. Thanks Doh...just actually read the entire thread...that question was answered. Ray
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so are you saying its ok to touch my flame to the ceramic? I have gotten the technique down pretty good but I still have yet to break through with it, I find that the first times i hit it, it doesnt heat up enough and so i end up taking 4-5 hits before i have to put the thing down. "The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride." - Bill Hicks
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If your taking 4-5 hits you ain't got the technique down yet, you should be clearing it in a single hit. Heating the ceramic is fine, I heat it till it glows then start to slowly pull, while I'm pulling I bounce the flame up and down so the ceramic glows then stops, glows then stops. This seems to work a treat. INHALE, SURVIVE, ADAPT it's all in your mind, but what's your mind??? fool of the year
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I read in the instructions we're not supposed to touch the flame to the ceramic because it will cause a soot build up. That being said, I have several times touched the flame to the ceramic and noticed it glowing orange. Those were accidental touches of the flame (kinda hard to judge distance sometimes, right) I have not noticed any ill affect from that. They also say do not use a torch lighter but as we GVG owners know torch works great. I did just notice a couple tiny cracks in my glass top but they are miniscule. Just cleaned mine again today. I love the way it looks when it's clean. Anybody else think it works "better" when it's clean? That's probably just my perception. I've never tried the recovered material yet. I know they say it's active, not even sure why exactly I'm hesitant to try it. Ray
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3rdI wrote:If your taking 4-5 hits you ain't got the technique down yet, you should be clearing it in a single hit.
Heating the ceramic is fine, I heat it till it glows then start to slowly pull, while I'm pulling I bounce the flame up and down so the ceramic glows then stops, glows then stops. This seems to work a treat. so your saying i should hold the flame over the ceramic till it starts to glow, screw the top over the dmt, then start to hit it? Im attempting this tonight, and it sounds like a good plan. I just really dont wanna fuck up my new pipe from clogging up the ceramic. "The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride." - Bill Hicks
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Personally I never purposefully touch the torch flame into the glass top or the ceramic. First a short 4 second or so draw with torch 1-2 cm from glass just til you melt the spice into the mesh. Then I start with the flame tip about 1-2 cm away again and increase/decrease distance to about 3-5 cm or so whilest the vapor builds inside the glass and then turn off the torch and inhale, hold 15 seconds, repeat x2 as needed. Seems like each draw lasts 10-15 seconds or so. That's just what seems to work for me. good luck tonight Ray
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didnt make a breakthrough, i got really close once again though. I remember seeing those familiar visuals along with like a million thoughts at once. that familiar mother-like voice came in and told me how she wishes i would take better care of myself, i remember this happened so fast i came back and thats all i could remember her telling me. yet she told me so many other things about my life and how she has helped guide me along the way. She just expressed that she was sad with what i was doing to myself with the frequency of the drugs i take and i just came back out of the trip feeling guilty. I need a break. "The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride." - Bill Hicks
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giver of will wrote:so your saying i should hold the flame over the ceramic till it starts to glow, screw the top over the dmt, then start to hit it? Im attempting this tonight, and it sounds like a good plan. I just really dont wanna fuck up my new pipe from clogging up the ceramic. I load up the GVG and put the ceramic filter in so its ready to go, i then heat the ceramic with my ARC til it glows, i then pull slowly letting the flame bob up and down so the the ceramic glows and stops glows and stops. i use the bounce method because i always have infused herb and never crystals, and if you apply to much heat the herb can catch light. i advise ignoring the desire to breakthrough and just be happy with the epicness of the experience, a "breakthrough" will come in time. id be quite happy with an entitie telling me things about my life as it sounds awesome. You will only clog the ceramic with soot if you use a bic and it touchs the ceramic. It is advised that the way to clean a sooted ceramic filter is to heat it with a torch lighter, so heating the ceramic with a torch wont do it any harm at all. hope that helps INHALE, SURVIVE, ADAPT it's all in your mind, but what's your mind??? fool of the year
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I make the ceramic glow for couple seconds and then raise the flame's tip to about 1-3cm above the edge of the hole. Inhaling until no more vapor comes out. At the end bringing the flame closer to make sure all is gone in single inhalation.
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which side of the ceramic did you heat? "The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride." - Bill Hicks
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I am not totally sure if this is what you are getting at, but the top of the ceramic is heated when the glass holder is in the chamber of a packed pipe. Some like to pre-melt the spice onto the mesh, personally I don’t bother.
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What are the dis/advantages of the Glass Bat VG vs the Glass VG? This is the Glass Bat VG:  Does anyone have any experience with both variants?
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There is a thread somewhere about this... Apparently one of the main problems with the Bat is that the vapor gets too hot, all due to the shape and size of the chamber. The GVG wins  Listen to a man of experience: thou wilt learn more in the woods than in books. Trees and stones will teach thee more than thou canst acquire from the mouth of a master. St. Bernard
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That has never happened to me (with the Glass Bat VG). The vapor only gets too hot if mixed with fresh weed. Adding any cooler herb cools the vapor. I use a tiny amount of tea, which also helps soothe the harsh taste.
If you point the GBVG downwards, then it can get too hot. It should be pointed straight or only slightly inclined downwards.
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