It's been a very busy day for SWIM & unfortunatly he hasn't got the time to write up the TEK in the way he would have liked to...

So SWIM will just have to give a quick run down with pictures as it's getting late & won't have any more time now till next Friday to carry on...

The problem he first wanted to first solve was being able to easily & quickly toast the seeds...

Using the oven was such a pain as it stunk down the whole house & he always ended up with a charcoaled mess (& pissed of people )

THE Solution...

1.. A Volcano Vaporiser.. or any other vaporiser that works in a similar way..... via air..
2.. A Heat Gun would be 9999% better... As it could easily be converted into a simple vaporiser...

REMEMBER... ALWAYS USE GLOVES WHEN USING THESE THING AS THEY STAY HOT FOR A LONG TIME AFTER USING THEM....!!!

SWIM has looked into a Heat Gun and has seen ones that can go from 50-600c in small 10c steps with viarable airflow, for about £50... I think that would be a worthy investment....

Then for about £1-£10 it would be very simple to make a simple chamber that can be attached to the heat gun... Just like a Volcano chamber..

A good heat resistance metal with a gauze at one end ... pack some seeds... then another metal gauze at the other end....

SWIM has now constructed a simple chamber for use with his volcano with a gauze on the bottom.. ( A simple 28mm plumming jobby, cost about £2.99 B&Q )

This simply sits on top of the volcano & can fit about 5g of seeds... Takes about 5-10mins to pop them all and turn the insides a very dark brown..

*** place volcano right by an open window, so the smoke goes straight out as it still stinks.....
*** SWIM guesses with a heat gun you should be able to do 5g-10g seeds in no more than a couple of mins.....

Then as soon as that gagging stench stops & you can only smell burnt seeds... You know they are done...

Then repeat the above after they have been freebased... AGAIN.. this will take ONLY a few mins with a HEAT gun & whatever you do point it outside a window to avoid the stink...!!!!

Then REPEAT AGAIN... with the the scrapped up evaporated Acetone goodies... It again only takes a few mins to turn that oily mess to a hard shell like substance... ( ** This is where you notice that gagging smell (toxins) the worst, when toasting the scrapped up extract )

I have to repeat... It's just AMAZING how QUICKLY and effeciently a Heat Gun or a good vaporiser can toast/burn of the crap from a few grams of seeds...

The other ITEM that now makes this SWIMS favorite TEC is...

GLASS SYRINGES....

1.. To mix the solvent with the basified seeds... Let sit for a few mins, mix it up or shake the hell out of it... 5mins...
2.. The other simply to filter solvent extract very quickly and in one pass... 30 seconds.... No mess..... No loss....

100ml Acetone or IPA at the most is needed when doing 5 - 10g of seeds

The Acetone should go straight from one syringe to the other then straight onto a baking tray to evaporate...

As they are glass syringes it's a doodle to squeeze out every last drop with very little or no loss....

More pics & updates to the rest of the TEK to follows later in the week....

WOW! What a unique tech! God I LOVE IT!

I give you 5 Stars for creativity!

I love the syringes. Why glass? I’ve never used glass syringes before. Do you need lubricant for them to work?

I just love that filtering technique. That’s a good fast way to filter without a vacuum.

I see lots of ideas in this tech that can be applied to other techs.

Great job!

So I tried the same thing with the volcano and the 28mm nut, and yeah, I haven't done any extracting yet, but I'm much happier with the look of the seeds, not black, no smoke, they really look toasted and it was pretty easy... I'm gonna try a bunch of experiments later in the week, I also got some mek, so I'm gonna try a bunch of variations.

Thanks.....

No lubricants required....well not for extractions anyway Very very occasionally they'll stick, but they are easy to wriggle free...

SWIM has used glass syringes for years for all his extractions & as you can see they have 100's of uses... & he choose glass as that way he would always be sure they would be safe with whatever solvent he was using....

ok if you are not burning the seeds all you are doing is not burning away the fats and more toxic compounds...all this talk about toasting too much and loosing bufo is not true, its nonsense...I know this becasue I have done tests on the same batches at all temps and tested them...when not toasted enough all you get is more nausea..not less psychedelic effects..unless you are taking it up to like 550 or 600 d.

Maybe it doesnt matter if you are salting out the bufo with fumeric..it might be seperating the bufo from the toxins anyway I cant say becasue I have not tired that..the smell comming off the seeds when toasted at higher temps is bascially that unwanted crap leaving the seeds..

If you arent getting effects its not becasue you have burned the bufo away..its becasue you either have crappy seeds or you are just not sensitive enough to the bufotenine.

I can say for certain that I have DEFINATELY on more than 1 occasion, damaged the alkaloids due to toasting.

Also the oven I use to toast is not going high enough to vape the desired alkaloids so some other degradation is occurring. I always go for pure bufo and when I have toasted too quickly I haven't been able to pull any bufotenine from the seed mass.

Even bufo fumerate salts can suffer this effect.

are you sure? have you tested back to back preperations toasted a different temps just to test this? becasue I have and I NEVER once got the results you are talking about...seems strange to me..

Even at 500d I never noticed any decrease in effects at all..it doesnt makes sense look at the boiling point of bufotenine...its so hihg unless you are hitting that temp it shouldn't change anything.

maybe your oven isnt accurate andgoing higher than you think?

If you are using bufotenine fumerate and toasting it and loosing potentcy maybe that is a dofferent story..perhaps it has a differnt boiling point or something...but with the seeds themselves I dont belive these claims of loss of bufotenine I think something else is going on.

Either that or Imjust not human anymore and are able to trip balls off things that dont effect other people..who knows?

I'm not sure if we've strayed a little bit off topic here as he's never claimed any of the above about temp destroying bufo in this thread...

He's more than willing to admit that previous failed attempts where the oven was used could easily & probably was down to bunk seeds....

All he really wants to get across is that using the oven is a very ineffective method for SWIM... Takes far to long & stinks up the house & is very uncontrollable & so for him it always leads to a crappy extraction with different results...

This is what he does...

1. Toasts seeds in volcano.. ( a little bit of a stink )
2. Basified
3. Basified seeds are ground up & toasted again in volcano ( a bit more of a nasty stink )
4. Pulls with Acetone 100ml max.. evaps...
5. Toasts extract again with volcano ( a really nasty stink.. take up to 15 mins to burn off )

* one thing swim has noted.. wait for basified seeds to dry before using exessive heat to toast them again... use volcano on low.. about 80-100
* if basified seeds are toasted to hot while still damp, He thinks this has a big effect on the end results..

Again.. The volcano or a Heat Gun just avoids all the indoor stink related issues & cuts down the extraction time Massively... seeds 2 toasted extact in well under an hour witj the volcano... i bet it could be a few mins with a good Heat gun.... but needs to experiment first....

SWIM will soon have a Heat gun that goes from 10c-600c in 10c steps, so very soon he will post his obversations at which point all the toxins appear to be removed & how long it takes at the various temps...

SWIM has lots more experiments to come.... As all he really wanted was a quick fail safe TEK to see if the seeds are good or Not as he's had enough of TEKS taking days stinking up the whole house using liters of solvents & ending up with diddly squat...

And hopefully this is what this method can give you.... There's still tons of refinement too do on it, but with everyone on this site we'll get there pretty quick...

This is what Swim did...his extract had no effect on him.

This has been SWIM's mistake far too many times due to him being far too impatient...

BUT when doing a small 5-10g extaction it should take way less than an hour to dry if spread out on baking tray & placed on the radiator, which should be good enought even for us impatient types....

Lucidlemondae I am not saying that YOU stated that...I am just saying that if you dont get that smell comming off of the seeds than I think that there are still more toxins left in the seeds that come be toasted off..but I dont evenknow if thats necesaary for your tek becasue the funeric step might be seperating the bufo fully from the other alks anway..

TO be fair..I dont toast my seeds after freebasing them at all anymore becasue I found it doesnt change much at all..I only do one toast on the seeds at the start at 350f..

Apparently the boiling point of bufo is 608f..so at 350 im not even getting close to that and I have gone up to 500f once..and still my stuff was very active...maybe if oyu go too high like that after freebasing though you might loose stuff I cant really say..when I did toast after basing the seeds it was only like 250-300f so who knows..

Lucidlemonade..have you tried a large dose of the crystals yet? at low doses of the resin stuff I dont get much naueas or anything..its only when I get up into the deep visionary stage that I get the nauseating side effects and constriction etc..that stage of effects should be eaily comparable to like 5 or 6 grams of dried mushrooms in terms of visions.

Ooops sorry.... I really should read more closely

Yes your right, you can smell the nasty toxins buning off so much... If you don't smell that then your probably not roasting them enough...

For me the smell goes thought these stages...

1. nice coffee smell
2. burnt popcorn/nuts
3. nasty smell
4. really nasty smell
5. really really nasty smell.. almost like rotting/gagging fish
6. back to burn seed smell

When it gets back to number 6 they are usually done.... with the volcano I can find you can only really get back to this after toasting the evaporated acetone extract which is placed on a fine gauze placed directly on top of the volcano...

**** NO FURMARIC ACID is Now used in the above TEK on this page.... The orginal TEK he tried on page 1 (FASI) did, but that just uses too much solvent... but it does appear to work....

**** All this one uses is Seeds+SodiumCarbonate+Water/Acetone/Volcano



Nope... Not yet.... He so wants to.. but can't for a few days....

So far he's only tried 5mg & 8mg & 10mg all times impure extract..

With those doses there was very slight OEV/Euthoria, but CEV were strange & just so so different & almost dream like... he thought he was dreaming at one point then opened his eyes to find himself totaly awake.... bizare...

Bufotenine is a very tough chemical and has been shown to survive for thousands of years in ancient snuffing artifacts found. It’s not DMT. While DMT quickly degrades in a matter of years, bufotenine is said to take hundreds of years to degrade.

SWIM toasts at 350F usually and gets great results, even after freebasing. He usually gets yields of 2-3% bufotenine from his seeds.

I think bad quality seeds are usually to blame and not heating them in the oven. SWIM found that when dealing with impure extracts, heating at 350F always produces a better quality experience with no loss of bufotenine at all. If you compare 10 mg of non-toasted impure extract to 10 mg of toasted extract, the toasted extract will be stronger and less nauseating. It’s stronger I think because of the weight reduction from the other crap vaporizing away and making it lighter. But who knows? Maybe some bufotenine n-oxide is converting back to bufotenine? I don’t fully understand N-Oxide oxidation and reduction. I’ve seen many articles that say that heat and air cause N-Oxides to form, and other articles that say excessive heat reduces N-Oxides to their parent compounds. It’s confusing. I wish I could find a straight answer to this.

At 350F for 30 minutes, you can see something vaporizing away. SWIM has no idea what it is that's vaporizing away but it's very nauseating if you inhale it. It can't be bufotenine. Even freebase bufotenine won't vaporize away until you get above 600 F. Bufotenine melts at about 295–297 F, and boils at about 608 F.

i have toasted the seeds while wet after freebasing and my extract is plenty potent..i think the problems people are having is bad seeds....and believe me i have gone through many batches of bad seeds...they are out here...buy from MANY sources and test each batch...they arent all the same

Oh well.... that was just an idea... about toasting while still damp....

As it's becoming more & more apparent that SWIMS many previous failed attempts were down to bunk seeds... as he was basically doing just the same TEK he was before but using the OVEN & on a larger scale...

Hes told me he's pretty much used up his last lot of seeds he bought from 3 or 4 sources well over a year ago & hasn't a clue from where which ones came from...

Does anyone know of any reliable suppliers of good quality seeds... I did a quick search of the supplier thread but couldnt see anything specific to this..

As SWIM really want to perfect this small scale TEK.. but at least he's now happier he's now got the process down to an hour+ rather than days.... As he told me spending days & comming out with nothing can be so dishearting... especially when its his 10+ attempt...

I never had bad seeds once..i ordered from maya 1st time though..they never had poor quality anything it seems

I have had a few batches of bad seeds..and boy isnt it awful when you put a bunch of time in and you end up with a crappy extract that you try smoking anyway..and all you get is massive nausea and nothing else

Really innovative and inspirational tek! Too bad it's hard to get you hands on some serious syringes..



Interesting observation. Gonna try this next time I make my snuff. Hoping to have little to no nausea at high doses.

Ebay is your friend... there not always on there but they do come up from time to time & at great prices...... They only really start to get quite pricey for the 100ml+ size ones...

Did not think of that, thank you.