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San pedro shriveling and turning dark. Options
 
Taproot
#21 Posted : 11/20/2018 5:23:40 AM
Are the cacti I have active? This sure is a bummer because I put a good amount of money into growing and recently grafting them. The tetragonus weren't cheap. Nor the pereskiopsis.
 
Grey Fox
#22 Posted : 11/20/2018 5:26:20 AM
Too soon to rule those seedlings out from being Pachanoi and T. Peruvianus.
IT WAS ALL A DREAM
 
dwh
#23 Posted : 11/20/2018 5:39:40 AM
OK, I just read in the attitude section that talk of live plants is allowed.

Both of those SanPedros are readily available from zillions of cactus vendors in Arizona. 99% of them will ship inside the US. International shipping of plants is usually always a pain but if you want that Joshua Tree or Siberian Acacia bad enuf you won't stop til you unpack it.

Oh, and don't go with the cheapest supplier, or the most expensive either.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans -- John Lennon
The truth isn't altered by your perception of it -- Richard Stands
 
dwh
#24 Posted : 11/20/2018 5:40:54 AM
Grey Fox wrote:
Too soon to rule those seedlings out from being Pachanoi and T. Peruvianus.


I hope you're right, for Tap's sake.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans -- John Lennon
The truth isn't altered by your perception of it -- Richard Stands
 
Grey Fox
#25 Posted : 11/20/2018 1:09:25 PM
Its hard to make an i.d. on plants that young. Let them get bigger and you'll know for sure. They might turn out to be Cereus or Browningia or Pilosocereus. Or they could be Trichocereus. If he bought seed from a reputable source then they probably are what they're supposed to be.
IT WAS ALL A DREAM
 
DansMaTete
#26 Posted : 11/20/2018 3:35:10 PM
It's of course too early to tell what kind of cactus it is but they look like my own seedling who are now big enough to be extracted and they are definitly active.

IMO, the shriveling is a lack of water due to not enough watering or soil quality.







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Taproot
#27 Posted : 11/20/2018 3:46:30 PM
Could someone reccoment a soil mix? I used 70% peat moss to 30% perlite. Also this is what I've been feeding them.
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DansMaTete
#28 Posted : 11/20/2018 6:07:26 PM
Different recipes but the spirit is "rich and well drained"

dg wrote:
..., 50% potting soil, 5% compost, and 45% perlite or turface
i also add a healthy sprinkle of 20-20-20 osmocote time release balls

Here is another one (tutorial with pics).



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dwh
#29 Posted : 11/20/2018 8:56:49 PM
When it comes to cactus, there is nothing like pumice & coir. All the big gurus use pumice & coir. I'm only a kang-guru and I use them too. (Sorry, I can never resist that pun Smile

I don't want to be like a 4th grader constantly asking if something is allowed so I'm going to go out on a limb here and mention a website. Let me say that it is a pure cactus website and the finest free resource that an amateur grower could ask for. The author is a true patron for the selfless sharing of his vast knowledge-base. I always wish him only my best, positive, thoughts and intentions. And having said that, please take the time to browse:

https://www.cacti-guide.com

There is a good article about soil mixes and several other independent references also.
I'm nowhere near this guy's level, but he took the time to respond to a legitimate inquiry regarding his works, so he's not a snob either. If you've never been there, you'll be glad you went.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans -- John Lennon
The truth isn't altered by your perception of it -- Richard Stands
 
Taproot
#30 Posted : 11/20/2018 9:00:54 PM
Thank you so much for taking the chance just to help me out. I REALLY appreciate it.
 
dwh
#31 Posted : 11/20/2018 9:12:17 PM
DansMaTete wrote:
It's of course too early to tell what kind of cactus it is but they look like my own seedling who are now big enough to be extracted and they are definitly active.


Please state the Genus/Species name of the cactus you are referring to, I must be confused about something. I'm really old and I always try to factor that in when I suspect some mistake.


Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans -- John Lennon
The truth isn't altered by your perception of it -- Richard Stands
 
dwh
#32 Posted : 11/20/2018 9:16:11 PM
Taproot wrote:
Thank you so much for taking the chance just to help me out. I REALLY appreciate it.


Don't mention it man...compare our post numbers and seedling icon, we're both new here. I joined yesterday, or the day before...what about you?
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans -- John Lennon
The truth isn't altered by your perception of it -- Richard Stands
 
Taproot
#33 Posted : 11/20/2018 9:16:39 PM
I checked out that website and one of the pictures of the peruvianus looks like the one I grafted to the tetragonus. The flesh color is a bit different but the spines look similar. I joined on the 15th
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downwardsfromzero
ModeratorChemical expert
#34 Posted : 11/20/2018 10:36:41 PM
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Also this is what I've been feeding them.

They might not actually be liking a feed with too much calcium. Regularly adding calcium seems likely to be capable of slowing their growth somewhat. For instance, I've found that adding even coarsely crushed limestone chunks as the bottom layer of a pot filling has effectively stalled growth for a Trichocereus terscheckii Sad At least it's reasonably easy to get the limestone chunks out - but it would be even easier to change to a different fertilizer, were that an option.




“There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work."
― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
 
RoundAbout
#35 Posted : 11/21/2018 4:42:54 AM
dwh wrote:
DansMaTete wrote:
It's of course too early to tell what kind of cactus it is but they look like my own seedling who are now big enough to be extracted and they are definitly active.


Please state the Genus/Species name of the cactus you are referring to, I must be confused about something. I'm really old and I always try to factor that in when I suspect some mistake.




Just to be clear, I think Trichocereus peruvianus is being discussed in general, not Cereus peruvianus.
 
0_o
#36 Posted : 11/21/2018 4:50:01 AM
downwardsfromzero wrote:
Quote:
Also this is what I've been feeding them.

They might not actually be liking a feed with too much calcium. Regularly adding calcium seems likely to be capable of slowing their growth somewhat. For instance, I've found that adding even coarsely crushed limestone chunks as the bottom layer of a pot filling has effectively stalled growth for a Trichocereus terscheckii Sad At least it's reasonably easy to get the limestone chunks out - but it would be even easier to change to a different fertilizer, were that an option.


I suspect that the issue here in terms of stalled growth and limestone isn't excess Ca but rather is a high pH making phosphorus unavailable to the plant.
 
downwardsfromzero
ModeratorChemical expert
#37 Posted : 11/21/2018 4:05:26 PM
Quote:
I suspect that the issue here in terms of stalled growth and limestone isn't excess Ca but rather is a high pH making phosphorus unavailable to the plant.
Thanks for that. I can see how a bulk of stone would selectively absorb the phosphate, effectively preventing it from diffusing back up the pot. This is clearly different from the case where, were the pH of the fertilizer - or the water it's mixed with - to be too high, 3% calcium in a 2-2-1 fertilizer could combine with pretty much all of the phosphate but in a more finely dispersed form, thus remaining more available.

Otherwise we can discuss the limestone/phosphate matter in another thread in case this goes off at too much of a tangent. I was initially surprised that a few lumps of stone at the bottom of a pot could trap all of the phosphate. They'll be getting silicate rock soon anyhow Very happy




“There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work."
― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
 
dwh
#38 Posted : 11/21/2018 4:50:59 PM
RoundAbout wrote:
dwh wrote:
DansMaTete wrote:
It's of course too early to tell what kind of cactus it is but they look like my own seedling who are now big enough to be extracted and they are definitly active.


Please state the Genus/Species name of the cactus you are referring to, I must be confused about something. I'm really old and I always try to factor that in when I suspect some mistake.




Just to be clear, I think Trichocereus peruvianus is being discussed in general, not Cereus peruvianus.



SEE, I told you I was old!
But really, I'm glad it was my mistake. It looks like Taproot puts some good effort into his dirt, don't you think?

Actually, I think I have one of those trico's growing. I'll take some pics today.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans -- John Lennon
The truth isn't altered by your perception of it -- Richard Stands
 
dwh
#39 Posted : 11/21/2018 5:05:16 PM
Taproot wrote:
I checked out that website...


Did you see the article about C&S soil?
Check out his approach to feeding & chemistry.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans -- John Lennon
The truth isn't altered by your perception of it -- Richard Stands
 
dwh
#40 Posted : 11/22/2018 7:47:50 AM
I took a look and I don't have any Trico's, just Steno's and plain old Cereus's. Oh well, nuthin lost, I picked them for looks when they were acquired.

I'm posting a pic of one Euphorbia grove. It's from the growing season and they're all inside now. And just for size reference, none of them were over 4ft at the time. I get dozens of cuttings from them every season. During most of the season, these get watered (soaked) twice a day, every day...
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