...Yes it is, DmnStr8. It has been destroyed just as the other thread was destroyed. All everyone had to do was simply "pass on by" to another thread if they didn't like my questions, but they chose to attack it anyway.


...All you really had to do was merely "pass on by" and we wouldn't be in this situation at all, would we pitubo? My asking you at the very beginning to not add any commentary was futile, wasn't it?


...Yes, Philosopher! You are absolutely correct! After I asked my three questions, I immediately stuck my fingers in my ears as to not hear any of the answers. That was my mission and you are right!

So guess what everyone!

YOU ALL WIN!

Yes, you heard that correctly. You have all successfully crushed my second attempt at this thread! Quite an accomplishment, I must say! You even scored yurselvs a Mod to help you out! My disclaimer asking you not to do this was meaningless to you. There was only one goal and that was to achieve "victory." Well, victory is YOURS, my friends!

...Congratulations, you WIN!

There is nothing more I can add to this thread at this point. I'll just leave it floating adrift like a ghost ship for others to chime in with their artful slams. Some are rather poetic I must say. This experiment has been a complete failure. I will issue my "DMT Experience Review" as previously stated and that's about all I can offer at this point.

And Dreamer042, I guarantee you that my review will get trashed just as well if not worse no matter what words I use. That is the pattern that has formed.

And lastly, I couldn't help but notice how "humorously ironic" this forum ad was in this particular thread: ...I guess if my name was "Johns Hopkins" this entire thread would have turned out much better, eh?
-Birdman

P.S. I have a section in my book that focuses on how people will seemingly dedicate their lives to avoid discovering the truth. Sometimes people just don't want to know the truth. It's strange... but it happens! I'm thinking that my horrible experience with these two question threads and my three questions are far better suited for that chapter. So technically it's also a "win" for me!

What makes you think that you are the authority on what constitutes as "truth"?

Your posting style is precisely why people dont respond to you. It is highly confrontational, regardless of whether you feel it is warranted by the responses to your first thread. I read that first thread. All i read was constructive criticism initially, something you couldn't handle. Upon seeing how extremely rigid and close minded you were, some people chose to use more harsher words. Not something i condone, but it happened nonetheless. And you seem to be holding a grudge towards that.


There seems to be a recurring theme with these so-called authors. Yourself, Dick Khan, chocobestie. All are extremely hostile, and have inflated egos. All project this aura of authority regarding whatever topic they talk about. As if other people are children. Theres a good chance you've already interacted with someone with far more experience and knowledge pertaining to psychedelics.

I appreciate that you approached DMT with skepticism before jumping in. A way of eliminating confirmation bias. But, why should anyone read anything you have to say, given how inexperienced you are with DMT? I am not trying to ruffle your feathers (pardon the pun), i am trying to get to the telos of your experiment. What will it achieve? And don't say "truth". That word has as much meaning as "enlightenment". DMT is an enigma, it's purpose has eluded humanity for millenia. I doubt you will solve it. I doubt anyone at any point in time will be able to solve it.

Again, there is no hostility or aggression from my words. Just a curiousity about your obsession with "truth". Believe me, i've been there, and the more i smoke, the more i realise that it's a fruitless endeavour. The only real undeniable truth is death. What lies beyond? Who knows.

...That's for sure!

Your sarcastic rebuttals are a sign of hostility and immaturity. No wonder people aren't answering your questions. Just one look at your signature proves this.

One of the most informed, knowledgeable, compassionate and (obviously) endlessly patient mods (Dreamer$@) offered you some great sound advice and you invoke concentration camps?!?

First you use the Heaven's gate tragedy as a misguided prop in your debate, and now Auschwitz? Because you were too simple to figure out the April Fool's prank?

I am sorry I stopped reading there, you deserve no more of my time or attention, birdman.

I for one, call for the deletion of your account, unless you can try to take a step out of yourself and see what the issue that a majority of res ponders are trying to raise with you?

It is almost comical, how much you are displaying behaviors that most seek to overcome through the use of things like DMT. We have all been telling you to smoalk, if you don't know what that means, it is a Nexus euphemism for smoking!

You obviously are too busy with these fear driven theoretical questions of yours to read up on technique, you just went out and spent the most money you could on a device you cant even use.

I perfectly vaped 30mgs a few days ago in a freaking eye-dropper tube with some chore boy shoved in it that cost $2.00. Get your head out of your ass, shut the hell up and smoke.

Your questions are inane and have no meaning to the discourse as you have not even experienced the thing that is right in front of you. If you want some foreknowledge do what people have done since time immemorial, read reports on Erowid or here. smoke some spice.

It doesn't have to end like this, birdman. There obviously has been some bad chemistry going on between you and some other nexus members in the past. And as a result, the previous thread escalated in a very ugly way.
But the thing is that you had a share in that escalation as well.

I think i understand where your questions are coming from, and i like your art. So by that you have something going for you in my book. But you realy overreacted not just a tiny bit when you where being challenged. And on not just a few occasions. The holocaust comparison is a good example of this. That played a significant part in the escalation of this and of the previous thread.

I think you could still enjoy your stay here, if you would acknowledge your own share in this ugly escalation, and appologize for it.

I realy would like to see that happening as it would be a great example of the human potential to overcome difficulties.

...I already called for a truce in my previous thread. My post was immediately answered with a personal slam from a fellow DMT Nexus member. It was disgusting!

My reissuing of my questions in this new thread and my disclaimer found in the opening post should have brought an end to all of this, but it didn't. Many felt compelled to keep on hammering away. It was disrespectful for these DMT Nexus members to do this and having a DMT Nexus Moderator join in with this (even after we discussed this in private) has made it impossible for me to continue.

My argument all along has been the following.

(1) These questions are relevant.

(2) I am not require to "smoke DMT" before I ask my questions. ...That was my call!

(3) This is my own research and I have every right as a DMT Nexus member to ask these questions. They were not "statements" which can be refuted. They were "questions!"

(4) Several people directly answered these questions, so anyone claiming they are not relevant is mistaken. Everyone claiming they were irrelevant after the first response should have stopped at that point.

(5) I never judged anyone's answers or claimed that their experience was not real. My only statement was that I "think" what some people think is going on in these DMT experiences is not really what is happening. No solid determination was ever made by me because I didn't have enough information. This was explained several times to the other members (and the Moderator).

(6) My logical process does not "discover truth." My process eliminates barriers that prevent you from finding the truth.

(7) My first thread was destroyed by an onslaught of DMT Forum members who desired to eliminate the questions instead of answering them.

(8 ) My second thread had a disclaimer asking people to NOT post in my thread unless they were offering answers. The Moderator (Dreamer042) agreed, yet still chose to join in with the fray in destroying my second thread.

And lastly,

(9) Since I first asked my three basic questions I have had to endure post after post from forum members telling me that my questions were either irrelevant, unanswerable, wrong, naive, "already been asked before," a "waste of time" or telling me that I should "smoke DMT" before asking (to which I clearly explained my reasoning for waiting before taking DMT and my reasoning is valid).

What has happened is that a bunch of DMT Forum members swooped in thinking I was just some silly, naive "noob" that doesn't understand things and they were all going to explain to me how I should go about exploring DMT.

Instead, they quickly discovered that I'm actually a very experienced psychotropics user who approaches things in a very logical and scientific way. They also discovered that I can handle myself in a debate. In other words, I've got my shat together! Every time these forum members tried to argue with me I was able to point out how their argument was not valid because the system I am using (which serves as the basis for my questions) is based on a "step-by-step" logical process. This process does not make me "smarter" than other members members. No, not at all! Instead it takes "me" out of the picture and allows "logic and reason" to do my bidding.

What you have seen is a small group of DMT Forum members (including a Moderator) trying to battle against LOGIC. When they realize that they can't, then they made it PERSONAL! Since my arguments cannot be refuted, it became necessary to paint me as a "bad guy" or a troll. This left me constantly having to defend myself as one standing against many. I have been left at a disadvantage this entire time.

My last option was to put a disclaimer in my opening post asking people to not post unless they wished to answer to which the onslaught still continued. All these angry members had to do at that point was simply "move along" to the next thread that interest them... but obviously they couldn't do that,could they?

So Dragonrider, I appreciate your efforts, ...but I'm not apologizing for a damned thing!

The people who have done this to me, my questions and my two threads are the ones who really need to apologize. At this point I'm perfectly content with leaving this thread exactly as it is and let any non-member "guest" see what will happen to them should they ask questions like these on the DMT Nexus.

Most people really want to know the truth. Truth is revealed by asking questions. The penalty the DMT Nexus will face for the actions of "some" of its members is the loss of the future members they "might" have gained had my questions been treated with the respect that they deserved.

"A tree is known by its fruit."

-Birdman

I'm sorry, not sorry, Birdie, but for all your "logic" you say you put into your "approach" to research, you're pretty socially awkward and not very good at recognizing your own part in poor communication of ideas(argument). Being butthurt and listing all the times you tried to get your way, the way you went about it, and that members ought to be ashamed of their actions and not one mention of your own BAD ATTITUDE and emotional response to friction with people.... Your experience with psychotropics isn't experience with DMT. So, get some of your own experience and answer your questions for yourself, if you find it difficult to interact with people of differing opinions, education, cultures, and communication skills. That's what RESEARCHERS do, btw...

The less personally offended you get by not getting what you want is a sign of maturity in most cultures, I believe.... but I digress.

...You obviously haven't been keeping up on current events, my friend. You probably missed my post that refutes your statement because it was buried in +20 other "negative posts" from other members that had absolutely nothing to do at all with my questions.


...Strawman.

Hey, it's okay, Alv-Kev. I'm perfectly fine with having your words represent the negative attitude one will receive should they offer any questions like the ones I have proposed. It's not "me" who will suffer. ...It's the "DMT Nexus" that ultimately ends up suffering.

I'm no longer offering my reasoning for why I offered these questions. The questions are logical and valid and there is no argument that can be made to the contrary. At this point I'm merely allowing you all to destroy your own forum.

-Birdman

BirdmanDMT can you explain a little better what exactly bothers you about the nexus please? This place is know for being polite, rigorous, all about logic and good questions, open dialogue, and still your boat sank twice before it saw water, how is that possible?

I second this motion. Enough is enough.

I have lost all respect for you BirdmanDMT. You are simply a bully. You are obviously not a happy person. We don't need your bad attitude in here. Shape up or ship out. You are the lowest common denominator. It does not require a great deal of logic to pinpoint this.

So just leave...ask that your account be deleted and quit antagonizing. I can reasonably assume that you create misery everywhere you go. Go on your way now and return when you have found some inner peace. Take a good look at yourself and the conflict you create within yourself and others. I hope you can find some peace, contentment and happiness in your life. Others here are reflecting your negativity and you simply will not see this. You are a bully and the only thing to do with a bully is to stand up to them. So stop..leave.. do whatever you have to do to improve your attitude.

That is all I have to say. Your childish retort to this will not be read as I will no longer give one second of my life to this person or this thread.

...You have no right to issue this demand as I have not been abusive, made false statements or labeled anyone at all on this forum in a derogatory manner. Instead it has been the opposite from many others (including yourselves). The Mods have the posts, so they know this is true. Standing up for myself and arguing the legitimacy in offering my questions is not grounds for the removal of my account and you should not have even suggested this as an option.

That is very disrespectful to me as I have not called for the removal of any other member despite their being blatantly abusive to me.

Now if you don't mind, I'm working on a reply to Jees' question as his is a legitimate, well-worded question.

-Birdman

...Since my question thread has been destroyed once again, I most certainly will!

The fact that you have 'asked a question" allows me to do this. Questions are good! You are seeking information that I have and I will gladly provide that information to you. Your noting that the DMT Nexus is, "known for being polite, rigorous, all about logic and good questions, open dialogue" is an accurate assessment. This is why I wanted to join!

So logically another question of equal measure would be, "If Birdman has demonstrated sincerity, his questions are founded in logic and he is truly seeking information, then why have so many DMT Nexus members attempted to quell his questions and prevent the dialogue that these questions have raised?" ...wouldn't you agree?


...Aside from the destruction of my first question thread, If you read my opening post on my 2nd thread you will see where I have added a request on how my 2nd thread should be addressed:


...For the DMT Nexus to be accurately considered "being polite, rigorous, all about logic and good questions, open dialogue." then DMT Nexus members would have respected my wish and either answered my questions or moved onto a different thread. Nobody was "obligated" in any way to answer my questions as they were purely optional. As you can clearly see, my very simple request was totally disregarded even to the point of a Nexus Moderator joining into the fray.

So that's what "bothers me" about the DMT Nexus. ...But the reason why this happened can be logically explained.

When "certain questions" are asked that have nothing to do with discovering the true nature of the effects of DMT, then your questions will be met with as you have stated as, "polite, rigorous, all about logic and good questions, open dialogue." These would include questions regarding extraction, best types of plants to use, what type of devices are best suited for administration, best types of user environments, what levels one might achieve and how to best experience DMT and so on.

It is only when you ask questions that strike at the very core of what all of these many "favorable questions" are about do things get heated. It is perfectly fine to ask questions as to "how" to get DMT into you, but it is not okay to ask questions about "What" is really going inside you once you do. These questions are considered "taboo."

The DMT Nexus members who have launched this smear campaign aren't really "bad people" nor are they trying to guard any DMT secrets that they don't want exposed. I understand why they are acting this way. They are only acting out of "fear." The fear is not about the questions I am asking. The "fear" is what might be exposed should these questions be answered. This is an unwarranted fear because these questions don't really prove (or dis-prove) anything at all. All they do is offer "insight" into one potential truth out of many. ...But many times people really don't want to discover the truth. This is a natural human condition.

A Christian does not want to face questions that challenges their belief in God because they want/need God's existence to be the truth. No Christian on a "Christian Religion" forum will ever say, "Hey, that's a really great question!" should someone ask, "Why is there no verifiable documentation of Christ's existence? Wouldn't God find it prudent to at lest have his Son be documented as actually existing?"

Many here on the Nexus have placed DMT into the category of a "religious experience" and any questions that can possibly indicate otherwise (intentionally or not) are met with extreme emotional resistance. This is EXACTLY why I made sure that no judgements or conclusions are being drawn from my questions - yet that was not enough to stop the assault.

My quest is the TRUTH! I have reached a point where there is no substitute for truth regardless of the consequences. If DMT is truly a portal to another dimension or realm where living sentient spirits, guides, machine elves and God can be discovered, ...then I want to now! If DMT is simply a recreation of my own personality as one might shove one's own brain in a blender... then I want to know this as well!

My questions are regarding MY OWN journery in finding my own truth. I place no judgements on other people's truths or what they believe as this is of no concern to me. I have my own method for how I discover truth and it is my right (just as anyone else's) to seek the truth in whatever way I choose.

So when people tell me my questions are irrelevant, stupid, cannot be answered, I have an agenda, I'm passing judgement, I am "wasting my time" and I am a troll for even asking them, they are actually working against everything your wrote when you said, "This place is know for being polite, rigorous, all about logic and good questions, open dialogue." Again, I am not "smarter" than anyone else on this DMT Nexus nor do I have anything special to offer other than my artistic skills in re-creating what is seen under the influence of psychotropic drugs and my ability to implement a logical process from start to finish.

The people who are arguing with me are not really arguing with "me." They are arguing against "logic" and they are experiencing great difficulty in doing so. Logic requires that questions be asked. It is only when we refuse to ask questions do we give up all hope of ever discovering the truth.

Since "logic" cannot be successfully argued against, then the only other option is to marginalize the person who is using the logic. This is how I suddenly became the "bad guy" in need of his account being removed. I know this is why they have done this, and I really do understand why it happens. It's all a part of being "human" and the emotional desire to protect something you believe in.

I could add more, but this should be enough to answer your question.

-Birdman

Ay, where does one turn off the loop?

The repetitions are killer.. tell you that..

...I know! If I knew how to do so, I would!

I had hoped that my statement at the very beginning of my opening post would have achieved that closure, but apparently not?



-Birdman

This is a revised thread

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mmmkay, this has spiraled out way too far.

This thread is now locked.

@Birdman you are welcome to post one more thread, this time containing all 9 of your questions, so that the community can gain an overall picture of where you are going, and what your intentions are. With the big picture, maybe they can provide more productive responses. Maybe...

However,I will politely ask that you adhere to the following conditions:

When you receive a critique (and you will), do not respond for at least 24 hours (or better yet not at all). Find something more productive to do with your time (perhaps reading those improbability of hyperspace and what is real threads I linked you?).

Give it some time and allow those that are willing to respond with the answers you are looking for to post before getting defensive and filling the thread with non-productive, off-topic, reactionary arguments.

Remember, that your stated intention is to gain understanding. Be humble, gratefully accept the responses you receive and be open to learning and exploring new points of view. Most of the people here have a lot of experience and knowledge that they are more than happy to share with you, but if that sharing is met with hostility and detraction, it will only breed moar hostility and nothing fruitful will come of the interaction.

Be willing to share with us. We'd love nothing moar than to praise and cherish your phenomenal artistic creations, to grok your psychedelic experiences and know what you make of them, to point you the right direction and help you get the most out of this wild wonderful journey down the rabbit hole that is dimethyltryptamine.

salaam

It’s the 3rd time i’m cancelling my answer. I’ve familiarised myself with your policy this time and avoided to butt in anymore. Felt that i had my fair share of “line exchange” and that it would have been fair for you to keep a tidy format in your thread. Guess that isn’t always possible in a free and spontaneous place such as the nexus.

I definitely believe your attitude to be one of a kind Birdman, and one that fits with the nexus community, though it certainly can become intriguing at times. Not the questions. By now i think nobody disagrees with your set of questions. It’s all about the way you choose to weild your attitude. I’m not saying you are wrong, but neither are the nexians. So, since everybody holds some amount of veridicality, i find it wise it’s about time to stop fighting and start learning... from ourselves, from eachother, from experience etc... and then please restore balance, please give back something constructive to this community, and please let us try to see the bigger picture here..