And Mountain View is pure "Silicon Valley" (ah...the days of newspaper-routing the many surplus electronics shops in that area for spare parts for my projects!! Fond memories).

There is a VERY high interest in psychedelics in that exact part of the country--by those seeking to raise their creativity and insights to SUPPORT THE AMERICAN ECONOMIC MACHINE!

If you aren't aware, Steve Jobs has ALWAYS cited his use of LSD as being a critical part of what put him on his road to creation and innovation...

er...huh?

I don't expect people on this forum to be so DEEPLY clueless about news propaganda on the "drug war."

The FACTS are:

1) No DMT was even FOUND in this bust.
2) It's PAINFULLY obvious (therefore) that this involved extractions, for personal use.
3) MANY people who have used one substance (like DMT) have tried other substances--for any number of experimental reasons. Such use doesn't describe a "drug den" or "multi-drug dealer's warehouse." The fact that no quantities were mentioned is PROOF that the quantities of any drug mentioned were NO MORE than personal, one-time use quantities.

This is another bullshit raid, for bullshit purposes, involving bullshit major crime units, and utilizing bullshit news reporting for propaganda purposes (ANTI-drug propaganda as well as PRO-police propaganda--and even your-tax-dollars-at-work propaganda).

No thinking person should be offering ANY kind of support for such a sham.

man evan the south park guys couldn't write the cops dumber than this...

they worked into the night to dispose of it? how long does it take to pour a jar of liquid down a drain...

10 times more powerful than lsd? what so 10ug of dmt is a normal dosage?

these people do this shit professionally, why dont they know anything about it?!

Because thank goodness, these busts are still fairly rare and even though Nexus continues to grow and grow, DMT still has not penetrated the general level consciousness yet.. Though we detail them here at Nexus, if we weren't connected we wouldn't see so many. On just about all of these busts one of the officials says, "We've never seen anything like this in this community before," or "this was the first DMT bust in this community," or similar.

So, yeah, the cops and feds and medical people are ignorant as all whatnot. Most of them are just excited about being on TV and need to say something, anything. Heck, maybe even a couple of them read part of an article on the internet before their big interview, etc. . . .

Actually, from an environmental perspective, it is inappropriate to pour volatile solvents down the drain. Ideally I think, they should probably be burned in a safe environment...

I suppose a homeowner can break the rules with small quantities--but police officials can't; at least not in front of news crews.

If we are going to diverge to safe handling and disposal this is my philosophy:

The aqueus base solution can go right down the toilet. It's not any more basic than various products used to clear drains, including straight lye. I dump the liquid slowly, while the toilet is actively flushing, to try to control any splashes. I flush a couple times afterwards too.

With solvent the idea of burning it sounds unappealing to me. I place it in a tray that maximizes surface area, place that in a window with a fan on it, then exit the room, with a towel stuffed under the door. Preferably at odd hours of the night, say 1-4 a.m.

All of this should be done with full eye protection (not just glasses), a double cartridge respirator, gloves rated to handle NaOH, etc, as well as long sleeves, full socks, shoes, etc.

I cannot see why trained police/Hazmat personnel would proceed differently, though they may want to keep some samples for analysis, etc.

It's not like I'm completely stupid when it comes to this sort of stuff.. (please.. no hostility meant..)
And yes, you're right. There was no dmt found. My words have failed me yet again.
True, none of that stuff describes a drug den, or a warehouse, or anything like that. And that no quantities were mentioned, probably means there wasn't much around. But, we don't actually know that, for a fact.
But, people coming and going at all hours, alerting neighbors, guns and "weapons" in the house, the police seizing them, which I believe means there was no permit to own, and miscellaneous drugs, It just sounds like trouble, waiting to happen. I mean.. why have guns around when it's a peaceful place? Why have guns that are unregistered in the first place? That, in itself, raises a few flags. If you really need a gun, you can get one, the legal way.

I'm really not condoning what the police state has done, in the least bit. It was just a bad situation, under bad circumstances. With, probably, at least a few good people being arrested for certain things they shouldn't have been.

Ya know, I thought about just not posting in here, but I really wanted to get my opinion out. Maybe I should have listened.

Purple dye, mind sharing the name of that app?

In the US, there ARE no "registered" guns. There is no law requiring guns to be "registered" (although, of course, a sale of a gun at a gun store is recorded--if that's what you mean). But in most states, a further sale between individuals is not recorded by anyone. The actual ownership of most guns in the US is completely unknown to any authorities.

Probably that's why the term "unregistered guns" was contained neither in this article, nor this one.

Why not work on losing your propaganda mentality...?

MANY people in the US like guns, and feel empowered by owning them (and I'm one). Many own them in the spirit of independence from the authority of others (and I'm one of those, too).

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NOTHING in either article suggests anything but small quantities and small extraction of "drugs" for private use. Would you like to share your opinion of having drugs for private use?

Calm down.

Anyway, it's a bummer drug busts such as this receive such ignorant reporting.

Advising moderators to "calm down" is probably not an ideal attitude. Discussion of ANY aspect of sales is a PRIMARY forbidden topic here--and calmness can ensue only when that rule is followed strictly.

Well I said it.

The idea of even having moderators on a 'DMT' forum should tell you something. I do understand the "no price" rule and the comment has been removed accordingly. Let's drop it now?

er...given what you're said, I think what you really mean is that you want ME to drop it, while you complain about the very existence of moderators.

What "tells me something" is that even the mention of price in a thread perfectly explains the need for moderators on a DMT forum.

I'm willing to drop all such discussion with any and all people who:

1) Accept the need for forum rules
2) Are eager to obey such rules--it only from a space of cooperative conduct as a guest.
3) Accepts the need for moderators and the job they do.
4) Appreciates that moderators were properly doing their job when they enforce forum rules.

Will you allow me, then, to drop the issue?

Lol, ego tripping? Sure, you can drop the issue now.

I guess that's sort of what I meant. I've read up a little bit on it, and found a few things. (I know.. it's only from wikipedia..)

Just citing sources, because there's a few more things in there that state otherwise.
It also says in there that "state asigned assault rifles" are flat out illegal.


And what exactly do you mean by 'work on losing your propaganda mentality? I seriously don't understand where that's coming from.

And, I totally understand how many many citizens here feel the need to carry firearms. Guns are guns. Me, personally, I don't approve of them. But hey, that's only me. If everybody had guns to 'protect' themselves, this would would be a different place. If everybody didn't have guns to 'protect' themselves, including the police force, this world would be a different place as well.
Guns have been around for quite a while though, so, I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon.

Nothing suggests anything other than small quantities? Those articles only suggest that because they didn't include any sort of measurement. I mean, they could have just gotten it all back to the station when this story was put out. By another source, besides the police force. Maybe when the police actually make a statement about this incident, we'll find out.
There's suggestion of 'personal use'. But.. when you're disturbing neighbors due to your drug use, that becomes a problem for more than just you. Personal shouldn't have anything to do with neighbors, unless you invite them over.
I mean.. in those articles, they never state they found 'small' amounts. They never stated they didn't find small amounts either. All they really stated was they found substances. Again, both of those articles seem to come from local tv news, not an actual police statement, so.. we'll never know. Unless they release said statement.

I'd love to. Private drug use is one thing. I'm all for that. I've used my fair share of substances in the privacy of my own home, without bothering surrounding neighbors many times. Private use, constitutes, being private. Something that other people can't stumble across, or be affected by. Which is not the case here, seeing as how the neighbor felt the need to actually contact the police. If they were truely being private with it, that neighbor wouldn't even have known a thing.
Even if it is the kind of drug that is detrimental to ones' health.

And.. about that 'propaganda mentality', I think I know what you meant. You're talking about my views on heroin and meth, correct?
Well.. if you read one of my previous posts, I stated that, yes, I do think the media has tainted my view on those substances a bit. BUT, the close friends, and people who I've known who have been on said substances have also formed my views. It's not all propaganda, when you're dealing with a close friend who's just OD'd, and is not currently breathing. Or, the friends who have been through rehab, because it's completly destroyed every single part of their lives. Or even, the people I've actually lost, due to said substances. Specifically, heroin.
Please don't call me a propaganda mentalist, when you don't actually know the things I've been through. I guess I shouldn't have mentioned the media in that one at all. Just, personal experience.

Good. Let's discuss it. First, how would you describe as anything other than a "propaganda mentality" the fact that you BELIEVED you read about "unregistered guns" when in fact there was NO REFERENCE in those articles to any such things?

Isn't it reasonable to conclude that, since you believe you "read" and "took to heart" a disparaging view of the suspects in those articles (i.e., having "unregistered guns" -- like what, Scarface?), you are therefore buying into the propaganda those articles are filled with--actually BUILT upon?


That was my reading. NOTHING in those articles suggests anything other than small quantities. Please feel free to point out, however, SOMETHING in those articles which suggests anything other than small quantities.


It's true. There are people who call police at the smell of a FART--but that's not the fault, in any reasonable world, of the intestines of the neighbors. Someone who vapes DMT is not being irresponsible--or even reckless. Do you go to Antarctica to vape your DMT?


The tone of those articles was PATENTLY de rigueur that of "law and order" news reporting on the drug war. When large quantities are found that fact is ALWAYS included in such articles--even if the exact quantity isn't immediately available.

Is that..."proof?" Of course not. But we're not in a court of law. We're talking about very COMMON articles on a VERY common topic. I'm sorry you're unaware of how such articles are written--but allow me to help get you up to speed: If quantities aren't mentioned, then the quantities weren't WORTH mentioning.


Hmm, quite a lot of presumption from someone who implies I'm presumptuous for concluding that large quantities weren't involved.

Here, IMO, we DO NOT know how "private" these people were. All we can tell from the reports is that there were some odors (and I doubt very much that the odor of burning plastic is on the police radar)...and some rowdiness/party aspects. Oh my! Death penalty for THOSE unprivate people!

No. What we see here is MORE evidence of your propaganda mentality--someone has made you feel that it's criminal to have any but good, god-fearing odors emanate from an apartment, or that people who have lots of guests are conspiring vast criminal conspiracies!

What makes you think like that, other than a mentality that has been shaped by propaganda that has INDUCED you to think like that?


This site, gives figures of 2000 deaths from heroin and 2000 deaths from aspirin both per year in the US.

Figures I've seen on the CDC website (I'm not going to trouble myself to find them now) usually give about 7000 deaths per year from NSAIDs (like aspirin and tylenol). Wikipedia tells us that 1.9 MILLION people in the US die per year from alcohol. But YOU THINK (by god!) that people associated with heroin should all be rounded up at gunpoint, by SWAT teams and snarling dogs, because you know some people who misused it? To me, that sounds like propaganda speaking. Why not go burn down some liquor stores and bars, instead? By the numbers, you'll be saving THREE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more lives.

And there is no "gun registration" in the US--except, as I noted in my original post, the issue varies by state. There is no FEDERAL registration--except for the fact that SALES are recorded, and federally licensed firearms dealers are required to keep records. The fact that you won't ACKNOWLEDGE that, and that you won't acknowledge that you were WRONG to use the term "unregistered guns" as a representation of what was contained in those articles, suggests to me that you views are tainted by the propaganda you read.

I recommend you consider that, and consider whether you want to be led by the nose by others--who have their own interests which are not necessarily aligned with yours.

Fuck the war on drugs.

First off.. I never said I read the 'unregisterd' gun thing anywhere. I just stated it. NEVER said I read it. Never said it was referenced anywhere. Stop putting words in my mouth. "Took to heart"? Why would you even consider compairing this to scarface?
It seems as though you're not really trying to convince anyone of anything, you're just trying to put down every single thing I say.

I wasn't trying to start a fight about this at all. Jesus.

It honestly seems like you just don't agree with anything I've said, period. I didn't think this place was about fighting.


How do we know this hasn't been going on for days, or even weeks? We don't.


Ya know.. that's really quite ignorant of you. I don't know why the neighbor called the police. That's what THEY said.
Now, if there was a house, next to yours(that your family lives in as well), and people were coming and going, all hours, and weird smells, you wouldn't do anything about it?

You asked me what I thought about "private drug use"? You asked my opinion on it? Correct?
Well, that was what I considered to be "private" useage. I'm not saying it's right. I never said that. That's just what I... ME.. consider. I never stated those as facts.
Who's presuming things..

I know what substances do to people. I can get that. I'm not completly braindead.

Now.. where did I state this? Yet again, you're filling my mouth with words I did not speak. I NEVER ONCE said that.


It seems like you're the one, jumping to all these conclusions, about me. Because I said this, or that, I must believe this. Maybe I was just underinformed. Being polite about it wouldn't hurt. Jamming words in my mouth, telling me how basically stupid I am for 'believing' that, or even saying it.. do you think I even care to go and actually educate myself on it now? If it was nicer put, and not instantly labeled as a moron, uneducated, propaganda spewer, I might have actually wanted to.
Now.. I just don't care.

All I wanted to do was voice my opinion on the subject. I said something wrong. Somebody nicely pointed out that I did. I fixed it. Simple.
Somebody else pointed out how weird a chain of words I typed was. I tried to lessen the confusion.
This? You're just constantly attacking me now. Pointing out every single little flaw you can find in my writing, and then making your own assumptions about who I am as a person.
Maybe if you just asked me where I read that, or why I thought it.. instead of jumping down my throat, because I said something wrong. Again, I thought this was a place of learning, and sharing. Caring. Not, smacking the kid upside his head because he can't voice himself properly.





I get it. Whatever. There's absolutly no gun registration what-so-ever. Period.


I'll consider it. Seriously. If you consider the fact that you're trying to force feed all of this to me. That.. in itself sounds like a form of propaganda. Forcing somebody to believe what you do, regardless if they do or not.

If you were a little more polite with it, like many of the other people around here are, you wouldn't have had to force feed all of this to me. I would have actually gone out myself and read it all. Filled myself in on those few points I know less than I thought I knew about.

Like I said last time.. I really wasn't trying to start any kind of stuff about this. I just don't see why you couldn't have been nicer about it all. Instead of almost calling me flat out stupid, because I'm underinformed.
Like I previously stated, I'm not one for guns.



You're absolutly correct. And, I'm sorry for derailing this thread due to my lack of knowledge in general, about most everything.
I never wanted to argue in the first place. This was not my intent. I'm done.

Well...OK. I'll change my assertion: You just made it up out of nowhere. Do you actually PREFER that assertion? Would you like to give the impression that you are NOT being led by the propaganda of others, but instead are here to offer your OWN propaganda?

The bottom line to this is that you seem to imply that it's a good thing those people were arrested. Further along, you seem to imply that--as long as heroin was "involved" it was a good thing they were arrested.

Why are you here if you think it's a good thing that people are arrested for having drugs?

If you DON'T think it was a good thing they were arrested, then you should explain what you meant when you said: "At least, they bopped em, and it wasn't just dmt they had."

And...are you aware that it was reported that they did NOT HAVE DMT? That they had only "plant materials?" And that BECAUSE they had plant materials we can know that they did NOT have a "DMT lab" but instead were only extracting DMT?

So again, please explain why you have:

1) Seemed to be happy these people were arrested.
2) MADE UP propaganda about "unregistered guns" and added it to the story.
3) MADE UP your own report about them having DMT.

Maybe you are NOT being influenced by the propaganda spewed by drug warriors. Maybe you wish to proffer your OWN propaganda. Why so? Why would you come here and do that?

Why would a senior member continuously bash a relatively newer member after it has been suggested to take it to pm?
That's all I want to know. I'm not saying either of you is correct either, since it takes two to get to where yall are at currently. The condescension you are displaying through your choice capitalization and wordings is pretty uncalled for. I'm all for agreeing to disagree but this isn't even civil anymore. Just chill out and let the man think what he wants, while you go your way and think what you want. Everybody is on a different level of their ascension to enlightenment. Sheesh.