Forget the Pure THC, i just want to know if my method will work, and if not why.

Say i put a QP in a big vaporizer which pumps the vaporized chemicals into another chamber with a good solvent in it. And a little air pump to circulate the air(with chems) in the chamber trough the solvent for a couple of days, would all the chemicals end up in the solvent?

Weather some say its a shitty method or not, i just want to know if you can pump vaporized chemicals through a solvent to retrieve the chemicals. I know the solvent will pick up some of the chemicals, i'm just wondering if it will pick all or most of them up just by circulating them through a solvent.


This is the main thing i'm asking, please forget everything else and focus on this.... i just want to know if you can pump vaporized chemicals through a solvent to retrieve the chemicals. In other words, are most of the chemicals going to remain in the gas state, or will the find there way into the solvent(Given enough time)




, ot on another note, what if you filled a chamber with MJ Gasses, how long would it take for them to all settle and stick all over the chamber, hours, days, months, years? Say if a couple of days no more vapor, all stuck to the chamber. All i would have to do is clean my chamber with a good solvent, then evape the solvent(Rather than scraping the sides of the chamber)

you may experience chemical conversion for the heating and it will deff all stick to the machine and not stay in your pumped air.

super crit is where its at

I'm not sure what your saying. I couldn't imagine MJ gasses sticking to the walls of a chamber filled with solvent, even at the top of the chamber where there is no liquid solvent, there are still solvent vapors thick in the air. But even if i'm wrong, all i have to do is shake it to splash solvent around.

omg why the heck you would do that!! do the fucking BHO and smoke it..! it's really good and pure full specrum extract of cannabis

Maybe because i want a different kind of hash? One that can be easily made, and easily evaporated? One that dosent require putting a flame to it(which destoys alot of caniboids + creates carbon particles which aren't good for your lungs)



It would be the exact same as vaporizing weed, because thats how you got it to begin with. The point of reducing it is,

1) Reduce a QP down to a few grams, easier to hide.
2) Can be vaporized with a Bulb pipe rather than needing a vaporizer.
3) All the same reason as someone would have for making hash, this would be hash, just a cleaner hash.
4) also i'm sure you could get better hits off it than vaporizers, a more thick vapor.


I'll just experiment with it and see for myself. By logic it does work, its just a matter of how long it will take to work. Hell, i could probably get the vapors into a container and just put in the freezer. Then wash the container with solvent to collect.

Many of the volatile compounds in cannabis will redissolve in solvents like hexane and ethanol when put into the gas phase and bubbled through the solvent. These kinds of techniques are used to analyze plant volatiles. The problem is when the solvent evaporates so will some of the volatile compounds. In cannabis the compounds that give it a nice flavor and taste are those same volatile compounds (terpenes). So it will kind of ruin it. One reason butane is a nice solvent is it evaporates at such at room temperature so need heat and short evaporation time. The bad part about butane is its dangerous and people are stupid and can blow themselves up.

So yea it'll work buts its a waste of material and a lot of effort for no gain that cannot be had by other simpler methods.

How is that easier than taking a tube, throwing in ground up buds, capping it, emptying a can of butane in the pipe, letting it drain, then let it evap?

If taken orally, some cannabinoids convert in your body into a more psychedelic compound. If you want a better high, that's the easiest way.

^^THC is converted by the liver into 11-OH-THC. This compound is believed to be more psychoactive then THC. Which might explain why eating THC can have so many more intense effects.

O yes. If anybody could tell a way to get your hands on pure 11-OH-THC.... High doses of oral cannabis are on par with strong LSD trips in almost every aspect, except only for it's visual dimension. But it more than compensates for that with typical bodily and mental sensations.

well thanks for giving helpful information! Explainations are always better. If i let the gasses settle and stick to the container, perhaps freeze it to help, then used solvent to collect it all, would that solve the problem of lossing terpenes, or is it the whole turning it to a gas first that makes them unretrievable?

cheeto you could always recondense the gas by using a cold trap. but again more work then its worth.

buy a cromatography column and adsorbant powder and the right solvents and cromatograph the BHO solution it's the best way to go

bho vapes greaaaaat. and you shouldn't have to worry about the butane because you won't be inhaling it you will be using it to heat up the oil and then you draw in the smoke.. Or at least that's how it goes for me and my buddies..

Canniboids are soluble in d-limonene. I had a thought, what if made a good d-limonene extract, added water and let the limonene evaporate, dumping all dissolved particles into the water, then doing a few d-limonene pulls, being canniboids are soluble in limonene yet not so much in water. Would this help leave atleast most of the junk behind?


could even use this method after making BHO to clean it up.

it seems that these thc extraction threads always seem to go in circles.

if bho is done properly on quality cannabis with quality butane, it should not need 'cleaning up' as it should be quite pure.

i always like to mention that an exceptionally easy and safe way to get rid of 95% of the 'junk' as you say, is to do an ice water separation using silk screen bags and agitation. a couple of the grades in a 7 bag system will be quite pure clear whole glands with almost nothing else. if this is not pure enough, then next, one can move to a solvent of choice to further refine. in this way, only a fraction of solvent will be required when compared to a solvent soak or bho run on plant material.

phlux-, ismokecrystals and I posted findings with d-limonene hash a while ago, here. Long story short it's impossible to evap/remove all the limo. The cleanest d-limo hash I produced tingled in the throat similar to menthols. BHO is the way to go.

Cheeto, I think you might be trying to reinvent a wheel that has already been perfected. With a simple solvent extraction of your greens you can reduce an once of greens to around 1-4 grams of really pure full spectrum extract depending on how good your greens are. So a QP would reduce to around 4-16 grams depending on your greens and their quality. SWIM has given 2 methods below for liquid solvent extract of cannabis that have both worked extremely well for SWIM to create extremely pure and clean honey oil. One uses butane as the solvent, the other ethanol. One can also use Hexane, but it is not recommended. Pure 99% Isopropyl alcohol can also be used instead of ethanol for the second extraction, but since ISO is poison and SWIM is not convinced it totally evaps from the final product, SWIM does not use ISO ever for extractions.

SWIM does butane extraction the following way. SWIM uses a Dewar Flask similar to this one (http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_view.asp?referred_id=778&sku=0376630) which allows SWIM to keep the butane very cold for longer extractions. Place all of the dried greens into the Dewar Flask about 3/4 of the way to the top. In order to fill this flask with greens with Butane you will need multiple large cans of good quality near zero impurities butane. Vector is great, colibri is also good, look for triple or 5x filtered and/or near zero impurities butane for the cleanest stuff. Vector comes in 320 ml cans and you will need 3-5 whole cans in order ti fill the Dewar Flask with liquid butane to do this extraction. The trick is to freeze everything in a fridge that can freeze ice cream hard - the Dewar Flask with the dried greens and as many cans of butane as you can fit. Let it all cool for at least 24-48 hours. Do the extraction outdoors when it is cool out, not hot and make sure there are no flames or sparks anywhere near as this part is extremely flammable. Wear protective gloves and glasses. Empty the butane into the Dewar Flask, it will be cold liquid and the vacuum of the Dewar Flask will keep that liquid butane cold for hours. Basically keep emptying cans of ice cold liquid butane into your greens until it just covers your greens. SWIMS Dewar is large and it takes 5 x 320ml cans to fill it above the greens. Never weighed it before but it must fit at least 3-4 ounces of greens at a time plus around 1600 ml of ice cold butane. Allow the butane to sit for at least one hour, SWIM guesses that you could allow it to sit for 3-4 hours, but imagines it might pick up additional waxes and turpines and chlorophyll that you do not want and would not add any additional dissolved THC and cannabinoids, so one hour works well for SWIM. After an hour pour all of the cold liquid butane through a good filter, SWIM uses a 25 micron water hash bag, and into a large glass bowl. Place this glass bowl into a pan or pot of hot water and allow the butane to boil and evaporate off. It might take one or two changes of hot water to fully evap all the liquid butane and leave behind a think bubbly goo. You are almost done at this point. Many people stop here, but there is lots of butane trapped in your honey oil at this point. The easiest way to release it is to add a little bit of ethanol, SWIM uses Everclear, and add it to this warm thick bubbly honey oil, not too much, but enough to turn it all into a liquid again. Then you simply double boiler it until the liquid reduces back into a thick oil. Once removed from the heat of the double boiler it should cool into a thick honey oil or perhaps even a shatter glass like a jolly rancher candy. This stuff smells and vaporizes amazingly well and a little goes a long way. Careful not to use too much when starting out as it is easy to overdose when you first start out with this extract. If it is too powerful, thin it out a bit with some good hash to form a jelly or roll some good greens in it for honey bud. Enjoy, this is great pure stuff.

*You can also use a glass tube (never use plastic or PVC!!!) for your dried greens and inject butane through the tube with a filter at the opposite end and collect the liquid into a glass bowl, but SWIM has found that while this works, it does not collect all of the goodies in your greens or in the overall amount that the Dewar Flask method uses. SWIM has found that the Flask collects on average 3-5 more grams per QP of greens than the glass tube butane extraction does. SWIM likes to get all SWIM can out of the greens and into a pure extract.

SWIM does ethanol extraction the following way. Swim uses Everclear 190 proof and uses heated epson salts to absorb the water and increase the overall % of ethanol. The trick here is to place your dried greens into a glass mason jar, pour the ethanol into the jar on top of the greens, cap it and shake the piss out of it for no more than 2 minutes. Immediately filter the liquid into another clean glass jar. You now have liquid cannabis extract or tincture. At this point you can leave it as a liquid and drink a few ml or add a few ml to a liquid and drink it - this is very much like making cannabis butter and eating it - you get a nice body high and it lasts a lot longer than smoking cannabis does typically. You can reduce this liquid by evaporation to make a really really strong tincture or green dragon. Or you can totally evaporate this liquid to create a very pure "hash" that is similar to BHO (Butane Honey Oil) that usually resembles shatter or amber glass or extremely think honey oil if done correctly with high quality greens. SWIM puts liquid into a nice round glass bowl and uses a double boiler to gently evap the liquid to reveal a nice thick oil that when dry is like jolly rancher consistency, pure shatter glass that vaporizes really nicely with a great aroma. SWIM likes saving a little tincture for green dragon when SWIM does not want to smoke and when SWIM does want to smoke a 1/2 gram of this shatter glass will get dozens of your friends really nicely blazed.

To perhaps answer one of your other questions, when you vap greens in a volcano or other bag type collection system and let it sit in the bag for a while, a lot of the vapor will condense onto the sides of the bag within 24 hours, loosing potency from the vapor. SWIM has never tried to collect the condensed vapor and tried to revaporize...what would the point be really, it was already vapor before and would only loose potency and taste and aroma, it would not gain anything. Try the butane or ethanol extraction with a little bit of your good stuff and see how you like it. It gets rid of lots of bad stuff and makes the final product very small and easier to hide. SWIM has even turned some oil back into liquid and traveled with it in a sealed glass bottle, then evaped it upon arrival and had lots of great honey oil to share with friends with not a clue from travel security that anything passed through their system undetected. Put it in checked baggage, not carry on, as they throw away almost all liquid these days in many places.

Good luck and let us know what you come up with and what you thought of it.

The image posted above is from a California Cannabis Collective that shows some really nice honey oils and budders which are basically whipped oils. The reddish one, the King Kush Oil, is usually referred to as shatter glass or amber glass and it hard at room temp and will shatter when you try to pull a piece off, while the rest are fairly flexible and stable at room temp and melt great. SWIM uses a glass bulb with a flame beneath and the stuff vapes really nicely, very clean stuff. At least this will give those not already experienced with really good honey oil extracts a look at what some good ones look like. I've seen these going for $100 a gram. SWIM gets them for a lot less and makes them for even less than that.

:-) mouth watering just thinking about it... good medicine.

That's an interesting setup that you use. I like that flask. I use a 4 foot long stainless steel tube and I can stuff about 3-350 grams of trim or bud in there. I like to extract over a warm casserole dish then use a hot water bath for a little bit until it gets pretty thick. Then I pop it in the heated vacuum chamber (wish I had a roto-vap that would be sweet!) this gets nearly all of the butane out very fast and is fun to watch. Then if the trim was good enough, it will be pretty hard and shatter consistency, and basically done. From there since I prefer a powder I re-heat it on a heat pad and maybe use a blow dryer if it is not warming up so easy (the better it is the more stubborn it can be to melt again). I whip it with a a tiny wrench attached to a drill gun and whip it until it becomes unwhippable. You will know at this point that it will turn to a powder or atleast a very thick dry cookie dough consistency when placed back on the heat mat for a little while longer. If it just stays oily and you can whip it for days it's not gonna change and the quality is not good enough to dry it out IME. Usually, depending on how good it is I will get anywhere from 10-13% yield sometimes more but rarely. I really wish I had some pics of some of this golden powder that I love. I'll have to get some I suppose.

I much prefer dry BHO like some of the pics you showed us. But the three on the bottom I don't think are purged fully and they look gross IMHO. Some people just get most of the butane out then whip it up to a waxy consistency then call it quits to not lose more weight by drying it out. Other people say the powder sucks because you lose terpines and flavor.

EDIT:I just wanted to add that if it bubbles when you smoke it that's bad because those bubbles are from butane... Bubbles for BHO=bad