Be careful, we don't yet know possible side effects for these compounds.

Also- dosages can vary greatly from person to person and do not leave much room for error, please see erowid for its section on research chemicals. Some people have extremely adverse side effects such as seizures etc. from the same dose that gave another person a good time.

Please be responsible, and make informed decisions.

^^2-cb at least has been consumed by thousands of people for over 20 years. If there was something detrimental about it I think it would have came up. SWIM thinks 2c-b is one of the best psychedelic compounds ever invented. Its a perfect blend.

Thanks for pointing that out burnt, i personally just get a little nervous about man-made compounds, im sure that some of them are relatively safe, its just with the big influx of new ones all of the time, it seems dangerous for people to act as guinea pigs. But thats just me, and i know that lots of people dont have a problem trying them.

The only thing i hope to bring to this thread is just for people to research and assess a research compound before ingesting it. Erowids a great source of information!

There is no difference with regards to safety between man made and natural compounds. Think about it this way. Most of these compounds evolved in plants to be toxic. While many of these compounds were synthesized to be used in humans for either research or recreation. My point is that natural does not equal safe and synthetic does not equal dangerous. Each compound has to be evaluated independently.

But yes you are right there is an inherent risk in taking compounds in humans for the first times.



Yes that cannot be understated.

Having tried many of the 2C family I would say 2C-I is my favorite. It is enjoyable, but can get very deep at higher doses (24-40mgs). 2C-E is "metalic and cold"....not one I enjoy even in the 5-10mg range.

Even 2C-B gets interesting on higher doses....on lower doses any of the 2C's can be playful.

If you are just looking to party get some MDMA or Methylone.

I'm looking for a safe party drug with little after effects. I love MDMA but my experiences with it have concluded it's not worth the next week. I did too much once and had anxiety for 2 weeks. Does methylone have the same after effects? 2C-I sounds like a great candidate.

No, methylone (bk-MDMA) for most people has very little comedown...however it is NOT a replacement for MDMA. It requires redosing every few hours for sustained euphoria and can get a bit speedy.

I ususally notice a day or two lag, but nothing like the two week MDMA hangover. bk-MDMA is still legal in the US, but illegal in the UK.

2c-I even at low doses, while "fun" is psycadelic; it's not something I would go out on.

Having said this, other forums may be better suited for party drug questions.

Methylone also has some side effects like vasoconstriction (at least for swim), and has very short lived effects. Swim didnt notice a hangover with no redosing.

swim agrees about 2c-e, very cold, can become deep but nothing to really learn.

2c-t2 is also pretty bland but interesting.

The main 2c's are actually fairly predictable dosage wise. Only t-2 and t-7 have the wide variance in effects you speak of on people with the same dose. Something about those two rub me the wrong way.

I dunno, 2c-t-7 has always been good to me, a bit blander than 2c-i, and it takes a much larger dose.

T-2 is just boring to me.

2-c-t-7 has caused multiple deaths and other life threatening reactions

http://www.erowid.org/ch...s/2ct7/2ct7_death1.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/ch...s/2ct7/2ct7_death2.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/ch...s/2ct7/2ct7_death3.shtml

There are many other examples too, if you search

As far as t-2 goes, I recall reading incidents leaving users in the hospital after fairly mundane doses. I can't seem to find any literature but I'm almost certain I have read about it on multiple occasions.

All the 2C-Tx are MAOIs, and this is why they are potentially dangerous. Most antidepressants and many other medications will interact negatively. I don't believe you need to follow a specific diet though (which makes them reversible, aka RIMA). I think all the deaths were insufflation, right? But I bet rectal or injecting would kill you just the same.

The NBOMe family is probably not considered a 2C still but it still has all the same structure as the related 2C. I'm surprised I haven't heard more of a mention toward 25C-NBOMe, the 2C-C NBOMe. People who have been buying RCs and doing experience reports and such for 10 years are calling it their favorite psychedelic. Supposed to be super lucid, not very pushy but with a wee bit of coaxing lets the universe open up. Very controllable but deep, or something. I heard so many people whose opinion I generally respect calling it one of the best if not the best psychedelic they have ever done. Unfortunately the doses are <1mg, so definitely not for beginners. But boy do I want to try! That family should have some real jewels in it methinks.

But I can't pick a favorite between the 2Cs, having tried 2C-C + D + E + I, I can honestly say they each have situations where they are more applicable than the others. Great tools to round out a psychonaut's bag of tricks. I'm actually really quite fond of plugged 2C-C + 2C-D when I want a not so deep or pushy and not so lengthy trip. Nicer than either of them alone, generally -- C and D are definitely more mixer types until you push the 100+ mg dosage range, which I haven't done yet but am interested in with C. For the most part phenethylamines have too much body load / stimulation for my tastes these days.

I have not tried 2c-E yet. Soon.

But 2c-p is my current "party chem" of choice, I'd rate it above 2c-i and 2c-b by a long shot.

A good thing people can do with these compounds, assuming that they are dead set on taking them full anyway....is to ensure to start off very small - almost non-doses of a couple of MG. Make sure their body and mind can handle that before attempting a "recommended doses"

many of the 2c's are perhaps some of the finest psychotherapeutic materials ever available to man. 2cb and I are my favorites for personal growth, healing and learning. Swims worked with them exclusively for over a decade.
If you want to read about their use in psychotherapy by shulgins group read this book...
Thanatos to Eros by Myron the secret chief himself.
http://www.maps.org/t2e/
The whole book is available to read online and has entire chapters dedicated to 2CT2-7-B-E-I and more.
Best book of it's kind, perhaps the only book of it's kind.

Ah the 2C family. They're a varied bunch. Personally I found 2CT2 and 2CT7 to feel cold, abrasive, imposed and often dull experiences, while very powerful, and I don't feel any desire to take them again. I've had quite a few very deep experiences with 2CE, including some large doses...an amazing powerful psychedelic. Again, a cold teacher, but unique and straight to the point, will definitely be of interest to some people I think. Not something I have any desire to really do again though, I've had my time with it. 2CI, unlike a lot of people, I found a bit bland and uninteresting. It seemed to be lacking a special magical something that was brimming over in my experiences with LSD, cactus and mushrooms. Of all of them, 2CB is definitely my fave so far. Consumed a good dose one eve with two very good friends prior to experiencing a meteor shower, it was a really great night. In fact 2CB is the only one I would really like to use again.

Thanks for the Link - Dorge !


Just want to mention from my standpoint i wouldnt recommend methylone to anyone.
I had a painfully shortlived euphoria -and a weird unfriendly comedown the next evening , more negatives than posiitives imo.

2cb is definitely one of the magical few, from my memory i recall that these are based from mescaline in a way and some feel farther removed from the source then others. 2ct7 and 2 felt very much that way to me. I wouldn't be working with either again honestly. Though swim did get a chance to hug shogun coming down off of 2ct2 once and thank hi
For everything he's done for us, that put 2ct2 in a special place in my heart and it did teach me an aweful lot about feeling empathy for others, placing myself in their skin and truely relating to their process and how all conditions of life can bring about depth of awareness. I'm very greatful for that. But 2ci as far as the legal variety is concerned can really open up some serious shamanic space, swims had moments on 2ci where eagles have flown into the room turned into old native men and taught him that altered states where serious serious things to be respected and humbled by.

Hmmm interesting. Maybe 2CI would be worth another whirl sometime.

After a little browsing <link removed> is the only place that looks legit. Anyone have experience with this site? Unless someone advises otherwise I will place an order.