20 years means nothing..Ive met some real naive people that have 20 years on me..its a stupid suggestion to make that 20 years somehow means you know more.

Guys - give Pandora the benefit of the doubt - I believe she meant that we must wait 20 years to see how things unfold with respect to spice, legality, and paranoia - not to mention the public's perception of entheo/psychedelics and their users. Am I right Pandora?

JBArk

Well I hope and pray to god that within 20 years human beings have nothing to worry about in regards to entheogenic medicine! Sounds like Utopia.

Or she meant it looks like it will take some of you 20 years more to realize how paranoid you are according to how you talk here.
Being careful or being paranoid is not the same thing.

I'm with you on that, ۩. I just hope it will make for a utopia... not entirely convinced.

JBArk

Dude....I *WISH* I lived in Canada. I'm very slightly concerned as an American, and I'd be far less so if I was a canuck. Maybe I am being naive....but I just dont think Id worry if I was a Canadian.

Not really. To say that ALL or MOST people with a 20 year lead in life know more about everything is probably not accurate....but by and large they have a greater lead in experience. It's just a fact of life. Nothing stupid about that suggestion at all. I thought so when I was 18, but it turns out the older folks actually do know quite a bit more, or at least have more balanced perspectives, than the youth do. Particularly within a given community of like-minded individuals.

When I was younger I thought I had all the answers. The older I become the more I realize how much I don't know.
And my mum was actually right about a lot of things we argued about when I thought I knew better hehe

Pandora, the bottom line is that the law enforcement is unpredictable. Nobody knows who they will bust, who they will go after, and for what reason, until it is too late. It's when people get cocky about the law, then the law comes up and bites them. I'm not sure if you have ever been caught by law enforcement for drugs, but I have had a few run ins with the law, that makes me much more cautious now. It is not fun to get owned by the same system that is supposed to be here to help us.

So perhaps you are being a little harsh on those of us who cannot get caught again, those of us who have lost everything due to NOT being paranoid enough.

Ya..well, not in my experience. Im not 18.

I must agree with fractal, one can be dumb/closed-minded/ignorant/undeveloped in many sense when old, and others can be very mature developed etc and be young, and this also varies in what area of development one is talking about. So inter-personal judgement through age is invalid imo.

You could maybe argue that for one and the same person, he will be more mature/developed with age than he was when young, and then you would maybe have a stronger case, but even so, by analyzing specific cases one can see also lot of ingraining of pernicious habits and deeper brainwashing as time passes in some people's lifes that not only hinder but regress their development, so in the end there's really no way to generalize like this.

If you're worried about your Internet activity being monitored you can use TOR for browsing the forum and for making the e-mail account to register.

Of course there is. So long as both communicating parties remember that they are generalizing!

That being said, nobody can dismiss that there are an abundance of 'dumb' old people.

And never, ever would I say that older people *always* know more than younger people. But some things just come with experience and refinement. Just the way it is.

Sorry if I misinterpreted you, Pandora

May the great recalibration untangle us all!

I am not entering a debate here just stating my opinion so I will not respond to questions or comments.

Both sides of this discussion are correct in my opinion age has nothing to do with knowledge. I have know 13year olds how were smarter and wiser than 50 year olds.

As time passes the number of life experiences you are forced to deal with increases this does not increase intelligence necessary hence the famous quote "Some people will never learn" and I think this is true.

As you encounter these hurdles of life you can blindly ignore there implications and proceed with the easy way that suits you run right thru them with no attempt to jump and clear them. I other words you will fail.

Or you can think and train your mind and body and you will in the beginning likely jump and fall but at least you tried. As time goes on you can refine your skills by continuing to train mind and body even though there are no hurdles to jump at the moment.

This is life and the hurdles will return and you will be forced to preform it you have been training your mind and body you will jump them with ease. But you must remember the hight of these hurdled will increase beyond your current ability to jump so you must train your mind and body harder.

It has nothing to do with age it has to do with potential ability and as you age you encounter more and more experiences you have never could have imagined you would be faced with. And so you face them and make the decision to take the easy way ie"who cares if I fail" or you can train your mind and body to the best of your ability and still you may fail, but you know know you must train harder.

The generation gap is real and a beneficial thing when you are young you have few life pressures so it is easy to say I will be just fine with my current belief system. As you are and encounter more challenges you will find life is difficult and NO ONE has all the answers.

Well dont want to get to long winded here. I hope the Nexus is still up in twenty years Pandora will be 60years old and myself 65years old. I hope to rehash this discussion then! Because you younger folks here will be explaining the same thing Pandora has tried to convey to you today.

I hope my jumping hurdles analogy makes sense. I dont have enough time to come up with a well written more refined response.

Hope to post again in 2030 There should be some other dooms day CT theory by then. Hopefully the site will still be up and the Traveler will be deleting these posts when he sees them. I have lived thru the end of the world many time.LOL

Peace Friends

A tune I enjoyed as a young man.

You Don't Have To Be Old To Be Wise - Judas Priest - British Steel


I've had enough of being programmed
And told what I ought to do
Let's get one thing straight
I'll choose my fate
And it's got nothing to do with you

The years are flying by and it's time I got high
Took a sample of the good things in life
This is a chance
I'm gonna take
Gonna get out trouble and strife

I grow sick and tired of the same old lies
Might look a little young, so what's wrong?
You don't have to be old to be wise

No I don't care that the people stare
Accuse me of going mad
Just get a long hard look
Into the mirror then,
Tell me now who's been had

The way things are going I won't get to show 'em
Go single all the time's up to me
So it's off with the ties
No compromise
Wanna taste what it's like to be free

I grow sick and tired of the same old lies
Might look a little young, so what's wrong?
You don't have to be old to be wise

SOLO (both)

I grow sick and tired of the same old lies
Might look a little young, so what's wrong?
You don't have to be old to be wise!

I'm gonna gather my things
Pull out the door
Every night I'll live on my own
And I comprehend,
That I'm a free man:
I got a will of my own!

I go as I please
Fend for myself
Pull all the stops, roll the dice
Out on my own, gonna go it alone
When I need it
Then I'll ask for advice!

You don't have to be old to be wise
You don't have to be old to be wise
You don't have to be old to be wise

I say wait twenty years, then you tell us (the old people) if you understand what she meant. I'd bet just about anything that you will.

Pokey the Ancient

Sorry, young 'uns, it's true. Friend of mine said, the cool thing about being an old guy is that you know how to pick your fights. Us old guys know what's what. One day, you will be the old guys and you will know what's what.

Now eat all your vegetables or you can't have any spice.

I'm sorry, but I really, really, really, really doubt this. Such a remark is a perfect example of the danger in overstating your case.

The young man Jason (not real name) he was 13 years old was a straight A student who was never late for school, never complained about anything.
He was my girlfriends son I lived and helped him as best I could between the ages of 8 to 14.

The 50 year old man Jeff(not real name) was a illiterate person who could not read a menu at a restaurant let alone a simple book. He was also a alcoholic who liked to use meth. He was my friend for 15 years before I lost track of him He was also a excellent carpenter who picks up jobs here and there. He will be doing this same thing until he is killed in a motorcycle accident or becomes to old and ill to work.

I give you 1000 to one odds. lest bet a dollar and see who is the wises and most successful in 25 years. Just remember you will owe me a cool grand if you lose and I it needs to be in US dollars cash.

I have no doubt that Jason will excel in his life.

I am sorry to say that my friend Jeff will not progress and will stay in his current situation until he dies or is unable to work.

Dont worry I feel many things are overstated so its easy to assume. But if you look into it enough you will find the answer.

I assume you have never heard of numourus genius children who are in college before age ten. (Google child prodigies)

And you will discover you premise is wrong and you have very little life experience. No shame in that we have all either been there of are on our way there.

Peace Out

Yes, *OF COURSE* there are going to be exceptions. And I am quite aware of the existence of child prodigies. It is no difficult feat to find a young person who seems smarter and more motivated than someone older than them. I do not mean to insinuate that it is impossible. Regardless, there are important life lessons, a sense of perspective, and a sense of cautious optimism that can only come with age. I don't care how many child Mensas there are. They don't have the experience yet.