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SnozzleBerry
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#361 Posted : 8/23/2011 10:59:04 PM
You've got it backwards, buddy.

The power to recall the troops is not specifically enumerated amongst the Commander in Chief's powers...the power to recall the troops has also not been inferred to be a presidential power at any point in history. In every conflict, congress has recalled the troops.

Ok, so, given that afaik there is no historical or official evidence of what you claim to be a presidential power, I am asking you to cite evidence that the president can recall the troops. I would posit if the president has never recalled the troops, and congress consistently has, it is not a presidential power, seems fairly straightforward to me.

So, do you have evidence to support your claims? My thought is no.



As far as why I'm addressing this...it's because there has been nothing of any substance presented as a solid reason to vote for him and that annoys me. If people were arguing he's the "least evil" candidate, potentially that would have more merit than the arguments presented thus far, but that's not what people are saying. Everything you present in your final paragraph is immaterial within the scope of the president's power...he can't end the wars, he can't change the War on Drugs, the budget is not his domain (other than approving it)...you claim these are reasons to vote for him, but these are not things the president has final say over, so to vote for him to change such things doesn't make sense. You wouldn't ask your dentist's receptionist to look in your mouth just because she oversees his daily schedule, would you?

Ultimately, my own personal opinion is that real change will have to come outside of the "normal" political process anyway, so for me, this Paul-sycophancy amounts to watching schoolchildren tout their choice for Student President, while ignoring the fact that the Principal and school administrators hold all the power.
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Mitakuye Oyasin
#362 Posted : 8/24/2011 12:21:56 PM
What would Republican Jesus do?
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SnozzleBerry
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#363 Posted : 8/24/2011 1:17:05 PM
Rick Parry IS Republican Jesus.




A vote for Parry is a vote for America
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DeMenTed
#364 Posted : 9/26/2011 9:15:24 PM
SnozzleBerry wrote:
Rick Parry IS Republican Jesus.




A vote for Parry is a vote for America



Sorry to resurect this thread but you say snozz that ron paul is full of empty rhetoric, can you show me how mr parry isnt full of the same rhetoric? It would validate your arguments.
 
RayOfLight
#365 Posted : 9/26/2011 9:30:30 PM
just checking out ron paul on jay leno right as you posted, thought I would share <3

http://www.youtube.com/w...feature=player_embedded#!
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smokerx
#366 Posted : 9/26/2011 10:11:40 PM
Rick or Ron , it does not really matter who you gonna vote anyway. I do not think they gonna change the world to better place. Only you can do it your self.So start there and forget about politicians.

Politicians were good long time ago now they are all corrupted by big corporations. It is the same as watching the puppets show. I really do not understand anyone going to cast the vote. Why would you do it ? Have you not learned from history? Elections are not free choices you only get to choose from already chosen options. This is not democracy ladies and gentleman, this is a dictatorship.



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DeMenTed
#367 Posted : 9/26/2011 10:13:43 PM
democracy doesnt work anyway, not when 51% of the people are happy and 49% aren't
 
smokerx
#368 Posted : 9/26/2011 10:36:01 PM

We are each of us angels with only one wing, and we can only fly by embracing one another.

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PsilocybeChild
#369 Posted : 9/26/2011 10:39:35 PM
I like Ron Paul.
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smokerx
#370 Posted : 9/26/2011 10:58:17 PM
I like this man

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RayOfLight
#371 Posted : 9/26/2011 11:10:51 PM
This guy was just way ahead of his time, we really aren't short on ideas, its just the will to implement them or the faith that they will work.. as this thread about Ron Paul has painfully illustrated.

As I said before in previous post that the universe will remove obstacles once you show that your committed to a certain goal, I call it magic .
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SnozzleBerry
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#372 Posted : 9/27/2011 1:40:26 AM
DeMenTed wrote:
SnozzleBerry wrote:
Rick Parry IS Republican Jesus.




A vote for Parry is a vote for America



Sorry to resurect this thread but you say snozz that ron paul is full of empty rhetoric, can you show me how mr parry isnt full of the same rhetoric? It would validate your arguments.

Laughing

You should take that statement with a grain of salt, a lick of lime and a shot of tequila. Razz
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1992
#373 Posted : 9/27/2011 2:08:00 AM
DeMenTed wrote:
"faith in god" nuff said LOL.

Aren't there any athiest politicians in america?


Bernie Sanders I think.

I'm really afraid of Rick Perry. This guy is the real fucking deal. I would rather have George W. again than this guy. I'm really hoping Obama wins again and goes all out, deep down inside I know he wants to.

EDIT: As far as Ron Paul he's one crazy old man... Doesn't accept evolution, is against gay marriage, abortion, a whole bunch of other important things. I do respect him for his integrity and his desire to get out of the middle east and end the drug war. I'd vote for him if he kept the crazy parts to himself Wink
 
SnozzleBerry
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#374 Posted : 9/27/2011 2:44:59 AM
A vote for Parry is a vote for America

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a1pha
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#375 Posted : 9/27/2011 2:51:01 AM
SnozzleBerry wrote:
A vote for Parry is a vote for Ameeeeerica




(Sorry Trav)
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Spock's Brain
#376 Posted : 9/27/2011 12:17:45 PM
1992 wrote:
[quote=DeMenTed]As far as Ron Paul he's one crazy old man... Doesn't accept evolution, is against gay marriage, abortion, a whole bunch of other important things. I do respect him for his integrity and his desire to get out of the middle east and end the drug war. I'd vote for him if he kept the crazy parts to himself Wink


"Against" means delegate authority to author laws for each state to the people of that state right? I might be wrong about this, but isn't that what R.P.'s everlastingly upheld as lawful? So to relinquish the right to the states - the people - to author their own laws means to "be against..important things" according to 1992. To "be against" delegates from New York having a voice in the laws of the people of the state of Nevada, within their own state, for example. To respect the voice and sovereignty of the people of a state to decide their own laws, for their own, is "crazy" according to 1992. So who cares about evolution? That question was the application of a religious test to a political candidate by an ignorant public, read the Constitution. To be a congressman or president is not a scientific post, nor a religious one. Nor is it a school board.

Awesome Kick-Ass America Video A1pha!!! YEH!!!

"Infinite Diversity, in Infinite Combinations."
 
Spock's Brain
#377 Posted : 9/27/2011 12:30:13 PM
Mitakuye Oyasin wrote:

He wants to get rid of Affirmative Action, which has been shown time and again to be ineffective and not good enough.

Any Ron Paul fans want to take on any of the above criticisms?

"Infinite Diversity, in Infinite Combinations."
 
easyrider
#378 Posted : 9/27/2011 6:00:33 PM
I'm not really a proponent of Ron Paul, but to answer the above, he doesn't believe in viewing people as groups. He's not a collectivist, he's an extreme individualist. That's why he's against things like affirmative action or rights for certain groups of people. He views things in terms of individual rights.
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a1pha
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#379 Posted : 9/27/2011 6:09:53 PM
easyrider wrote:
He views things in terms of individual rights.

Not that I doubt what you say - but can we cite sources of candidate's positions instead of this he said/she said I'm seeing all over this thread? It will allow us to discuss the points in finer detail.

Thank you.
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SnozzleBerry
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#380 Posted : 9/27/2011 6:20:13 PM
easyrider wrote:
He views things in terms of individual rights.

Sure, which is precisely why he sounds "right" or "good" to many people, but still misses the mark as far as pragmatism (from a non-imperialist American or global perspective).

Peck on the two currents of "human rights" :

Quote:
The first current largely embodies the popular American view, which emphasizes civil and political rights and embraces a moderate, democratic, step-by-step incorporation of human needs into a kind of rights-based legalism. Perhaps such rights are easier to understand in terms of individual freedom: they do more to liberate individuals from the deprivations of caste than of class, freeing them from archaic restraints and traditions but not from economic subjugation.

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The second current has less to do with individual freedom and more to do with basic needs. It is associated with popular mass movements, revolution by populations in desperate straits, and resistance. From this perspective, the human rights movement emerged not only as a response to the savagery of World War II and the Holocaust but, more significantly, out of the movements for independence that broke the grip of European colonialism. Central to the second current are challenges to corporate power, state repression, foreign occupation, and global economic inequality, as well as the protection of collective means of struggle, from labor unions to revolution.


The first current, which Mr. Paul appeals to, is all well and good but when implemented/appealed to with no implementation/reference to the second current (which is precisely how Mr. Paul presents it), it serves less as a model for spreading liberty/democracy and more as a way of Westernizing the globe.
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