They seem like a bunch of reasonable chaps over at VG.

Let us know how it turns out.

Well round 2 went alot better. I think the torch lighter helped alot. I only used a fraction of the orginal liquid pad, I can amost see the single screen through the wire in some parts. I haven't noticed any leakage just yet.

Here's the problem, I used the recommend smoking method of inhaling slowly until the the element glows a little, stop heating, then take the vapour contents of the pipe. I hold the vapour in my lungs for a couple seconds and repeat. By the third time I start to feel the effects comming on strong so I want to finish off the bowl but I don't get nearly the same amount of vapour as the first two hits. I've also tried holding the torch to the element while inhaling the third hit. It seems like there is no spice left, but with closer inspection I can see some left on the pad. I wonder if I'm not evenly heating the element, it only glows in the middle of the element and the spice that was left was off center. I hold the third hit in while I melt into a warped reality. I haven't yet hit hyperspace with this method. I'll have to give it another shot tonight.

I never heat the ceramic diffuser to the point of glowing and have never had a problem getting a full dose in one inhalation. The diffuser isn’t a very good heat sink – it doesn’t hold the heat, but rather evenly distributes the heat passing through it.

I apply continuous heat during the entire time, raising or lowering the lighter to adjust temperature.

This thing looks so small, I can only imagine it being incredibly harsh. I tried smoking in one of those bulb vaporizers once, horrendous. I could even toke it, that's how I imagine this thing being. I see someone posted saying they prefer one of those bulbs, shame, I'd like a nice little DMT pipe.

I can't imagine it being smoother than the machine, that's all I've smoked spice in. Although I will be trying in a regular bong in between layers of ash as my machine is made with bottle slightly two big and requires two people to use. Hopefully the ash-layer method is smooth on the lungs.

Oh one quick question (if someone doesn't mind answering), when smoking spice in ash layers do you burn it with the lighter normally, like taking a hit of weed? Or do you need to be careful?

You say “this thing” looks so small, but you don’t tell us what you are referring to. Are you referring to the GVG?

Its not small its quite big. Did you read about how it functions? It is not harsh because you are vaporizing, not burning. Bulb vaporizers are very bad for most people.

When smoking spice with ashes in a bong (which should be in another thread ) you have to be careful with the fire, yes. Keep it as far away as possible so that the dmt vaporizes but doesnt burn. Just have it very far at first and slowly bring it in till the point where the bong starts being filled with vapor, and stay at this distance.

Yeah I was talking about the GVG, hopefully smoking through ash is good enough but... I'm hijacking the thread again :/

Thanks for the good advice endlessness.

ah if its in the vaporgenie, Im not sure if ashes will work, people usually enhance herbs or put a volcano liquid pad or metal mesh in the bottom to prevent melted dmt from running away

Man, I split a gut laughing gibran , that was GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol no, I was saying to gibran that I meant the GVG by "this thing". I totally intend to use the ash in my bong.

Well, all “size” humor aside, the GVG is a vaporizer. It is not just a glass pipe.

Prior to using the GVG, I used a water-cooled “machine” (a mini-bong with a copper mesh disc on the bowl). The Machine, although reasonably efficient and smooth, doesn’t come close to the GVG.

The GVG produces vapor that is so smooth you often won’t even know you’re inhaling DMT vapor – it will feel like warm air and nothing more. The GVG is also very efficient, since it never burns or even “toasts” spice, so you don’t have to use nearly as much to get just as far.

There are threads about the GVG that will provide you with much more information.

So, I got my genie and I can't figure out how to use it. Mine also seems to look different than pictures I've seen posted here. Here's what I got:





I'm very confused.

Just kidding. I ordered a GVG (and a space cricket) yesterday. Can't wait to get it in the mail.

I have one of those. Plug it in, stick your nose in the hole at the top and press the button. Inhale and say over and over "I want this. Everything is going to be OK. I AM LOVE".

I vape DMT, siphon diaper goo and grind my coffee with it. I am waiting for the attachment I ordered so that I can hook it up and use it as an emergency sump pump in the event of flash basement flooding.

People here are always complaining about its price, but i think they must just be unaware of its versatility.

In the summers, I read in a review online, you can use it as a grass seed dispenser.

Viva la Playtex GVG!!

JBArk the foul fool & fowel fuel & fellow fell & fallow fille-you'll

--- begin product endorsement ---

If anyone is debating the purchase of a GVG, stop. I just used my new GVG for the first time last night and am so happy with the investment. 25mg of vaped spice with the help of 3 VG screens and a wad of volcano liquid pad got me way closer to a breakthrough than a recent previous attempt with 50mg and a glass bulb style FB pipe. I think there may even be a little left in the pad for the next blast off. I feel like the dough I spent on this new apparatus has been more than made up for by effectively doubling my spice supply.

Not that smoking spice in a FB pipe is unpleasant, but the GVG makes vaped spice so much more pleasant.

--- end product endorsement ----

Soooooooo.....my prediction of deeper journeys with the GVG came true this morning! WoooHooo. Not a breakthrough, but at least a return to the glory days of morphing colorful mandalas!

Maybe even more ahead, although I wonder if my late-50's brain chemistry will allow me to go where you younger folks seem to so easily reach. Any other 57 or 57+ psychonauts on this board?

N.B.

I am a self-proclaimed vaporizer connoisseur and I can tell you that the Vapor Genie is absolutely not a good vaporizer. The reason for this is that it uses butane, has a poor air path (and you inhale butane!), and has no real temperature control. Although you can make it vaporize and you have a much better chance when vaporizing with a Vapor Genie opposed to a pipe, it's still poor performance.

Now, if you are just using DMT, than by all means it will get the job done. However, if you want to invest in a reliable and healthy vaporizer, I recommend other products.

If anyone is interested in a better quality vaporizer please don't hesitate to ask for my suggestions. Although it is much better to do your own research. I have researched, owned, and used a variety of vaporizers in the past years.

@ Cosmic Rift - If you are using a butane lighter and it is working properly, the only combustion products are carbon dioxide and water. The only way you can inhale butane is if the gas is flowing and there is no flame – a condition which should be easy to avoid.

Temperature of the GVG (and CVG) is easily controlled by raising/lowering the flame.

Just curious – have you ever used a VG or GVG for DMT?

I’m 50. Is that close enough?

I don’t think age has too much to do with ease of breakthrough. It’s more technique and smoking device, and you now have one of the best devices for vaporizing DMT.

That is not true, minuscule amounts of butane are not burned if you are using a regular lighter (it happens much less if at all with a torch lighter). However, you are right in the sense that if all of it is burned, it just produces water and carbon dioxide. The carbon (soot) drastically alters the taste as well, as anyone who has had pure, clean vapor knows.

Raising and lowering the flame is not an accurate way of gauging the temperature. I'm not saying that it can't work, but the results are very uncertain in comparison to an electric vaporizer which even though many do not accurately read the temperature, they have consistent temperature so you can judge. My point being to all of this, with a greater investment you can have a much greater product.

No, I have not used a VG or GVG for DMT but I have used both of them and many more for cannabis.