So i am new the psychedelics I've been trying to get something, anything out of Mimosa Bark, and Syrian rue. twice in the last 24 hours I've tried and failed first time 6g of bark simmerd for 30 mins, strained, fresh water added the basics 3x. along with 2.5grams of rue taken 40 mins before ingestion, 20 mins after bark taken purged then nothing second time 4.5grams of bark powder into a glass of milk, and 2grams of rue taken 40mins prior, after 30 mins i purged and nothing. 2 hours later just feel a lil sick and still want to vomit. https://psychonautwiki.o...wiki/Ayahuasca_smoothie
I've been trying to trouble shoot my self and i am guessing from the brand of pot I used to simmer the first attempt that it was a Mirro Brand which is famous for aluminum cookware, just a guess. as for why the glass of milk and rue did not work i dont know. hints, tips, tricks? am i just a immortal demi god who is unaffected by dmt
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Ben91NE wrote:So i am new the psychedelics I've been trying to get something, anything out of Mimosa Bark, and Syrian rue. twice in the last 24 hours I've tried and failed first time 6g of bark simmerd for 30 mins, strained, fresh water added the basics 3x. along with 2.5grams of rue taken 40 mins before ingestion, 20 mins after bark taken purged then nothing second time 4.5grams of bark powder into a glass of milk, and 2grams of rue taken 40mins prior, after 30 mins i purged and nothing. 2 hours later just feel a lil sick and still want to vomit. https://psychonautwiki.o...wiki/Ayahuasca_smoothie
I've been trying to trouble shoot my self and i am guessing from the brand of pot I used to simmer the first attempt that it was a Mirro Brand which is famous for aluminum cookware, just a guess. as for why the glass of milk and rue did not work i dont know. hints, tips, tricks? am i just a immortal demi god who is unaffected by dmt I don't understand why the cookware would be the reason. Here's a copy-paste of my procedure of the same thing from earlier this week. The experience was very, very strong. I had very little nausea, and I did not induce purging (perhaps I have a 'strong' stomach though). This dose is excessive (I'm ~77kg); I realized this before dosing but wanted to ensure I wouldn't 'fail to launch'. I ate a very small meal about 9 hours before dosing (so almost fasted). I used a 10 minute separation between the MAOI and DMT. Keep in mind that I'm most definitely not a master. Quote:8g of Mimosa hostilis root bark was shredded dry by hand, moistened, then pressed together and chopped into fine pieces with a knife. The bark was added ~350mL of tap water and a few Tbsp of lemon juice. The pot was covered and simmered on low heat for 2hrs, at which point the liquid was decanted and fresh water was added to extract for an additional hour.
4g of whole Syrian Rue seeds were added to a similar volume of acidic water, and every hour for three hours the liquid was decanted and fresh water and acid was added.
Both these liquids were boiled down to <30mL volumes, with the fine powder of the MHRB retained for consumption. Neither liquid was filtered.
(0:00) – Drank rue tea. The taste was unpleasant, but not very nauseating. The smell of the lemon juice had left the brews, but the acidity was prominent, and the sensation of drinking the low pH solution was reminiscent of vomit. The bitterness of the rue tea was entirely manageable.
(+0:10) – Drank MHRB brew & ate bread with olive oil… the taste and tannins of the MHRB brew were unpleasant, but also manageable. Bread dipped in olive oil was consumed with the MHRB brew to stimulate digestion as per the recommendation of eating by many forum users, and this made drinking the MHRB in a few sips easy. Make sure to rinse out your pots and containers and drink the rinse water too.
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I’ve been wondering about the cookware for a reason also but don’t have any cold hard facts, but, I do believe it to be possibly true because even Terrence McKenna mentions it in one of his interviews on youtube(I probably won’t be able to find it but it’s there, that I’m sure). May be why I’m keeping an eye out for bunk caapi reports in a second hand sort of way.
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from my understanding if its aluminium cookware the aluminium will be reactive with the alkaloids
also a shit ton of recipies say it must be stainless steel, or iron they specifically state NO ALUMINUM
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Do you understand what’s happening during that reaction process? I don’t know why they would react to one another like that, and how does it completely deactivate it? What else is aluminum doing to what it touches?
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Asher7 wrote:Do you understand what’s happening during that reaction process? I don’t know why they would react to one another like that, and how does it completely deactivate it? What else is aluminum doing to what it touches? Aluminum dissolves in high pH solutions (reaction with lye also produces hydrogen gas) , and I believe it dissolves a bit in acidic solution also. Ingesting aluminum is not good for you. But you didn't mention adding acid to the first extraction attempt and the second one clearly didn't have that issue.
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The reports I mainly had in mind were the ones where aya was being brewed, so no lye problem there but I can understand how the lye could eat into the pot and make the brew dangerous. What I can’t understand is how it deactivates the entire brew somehow according to a good number of people. I’m probably derailing this thread, I apologize. 
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Too much mimosa, not enough rue. Lower the amount of time between, or try taking them together. I'd advise working with the rue alone first to find the dose that gives you good solid psychoactive effects then start slowly introducing the mimosa on top of that dose.
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[quote]Terrence McKenna mentions it]/quote] TMK was allot of fun when nobody knew what the hell dmt was. He could shoot off at the mouth with all kinds of sci-fi conjecture that in essence is entertainment, but now that it's become a thing, the misinformation he put out there (not to mention Strassman and the "spirit molecule" hypothesis) has become nothing but stumbling points in rational conversation. He's nearly deified by some personality cultists, and i hope those in the forum don't crucify me for not having his words in my mouth. Entertaining, certainly. Source of good info, misty surely not. NOW, all that said, yes aluminum sucks for kitchen applications and i was not aware that cookware was made out of it, due to it's reactivity at least in the US. ANNND, as pointed out, i don't think it matters much what kind of pot you used. I can't grok your tek at all. Those amounts are way off. Where did you get that dosing recommendation? I've never done aya, but from what little i know about its prep, your amounts are way, way off. Also, why soak it in milk? I don't get that at all. Why would that work in your mind? Not to sound like I'm coming down on you, that's neither my place nor intent, but it seems like you didn't do your diligent research and instead just made something up that doesn't work and now ask questions. I might be totally wrong, I'm pretty tired reading this, excuse me if I'm being harsh. Good luck with your travels, i hope you achieve satisfactory liftoff someday and apprehend your destination. Sine experientia nihil sufficienter sciri potest -Roger Bacon
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dreamer042 wrote:Too much mimosa, not enough rue.
Lower the amount of time between, or try taking them together.
I'd advise working with the rue alone first to find the dose that gives you good solid psychoactive effects then start slowly introducing the mimosa on top of that dose. i think your 100% right about the rue i tried it again with 2.2grams of crushed rue and it was very threshold.
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null24 wrote:[quote]Terrence McKenna mentions it]/quote] TMK was allot of fun when nobody knew what the hell dmt was. He could shoot off at the mouth with all kinds of sci-fi conjecture that in essence is entertainment, but now that it's become a thing, the misinformation he put out there (not to mention Strassman and the "spirit molecule" hypothesis) has become nothing but stumbling points in rational conversation. He's nearly deified by some personality cultists, and i hope those in the forum don't crucify me for not having his words in my mouth. Entertaining, certainly. Source of good info, misty surely not.
NOW, all that said, yes aluminum sucks for kitchen applications and i was not aware that cookware was made out of it, due to it's reactivity at least in the US.
ANNND, as pointed out, i don't think it matters much what kind of pot you used. I can't grok your tek at all. Those amounts are way off. Where did you get that dosing recommendation? I've never done aya, but from what little i know about its prep, your amounts are way, way off.
Also, why soak it in milk? I don't get that at all. Why would that work in your mind? Not to sound like I'm coming down on you, that's neither my place nor intent, but it seems like you didn't do your diligent research and instead just made something up that doesn't work and now ask questions. I might be totally wrong, I'm pretty tired reading this, excuse me if I'm being harsh.
Good luck with your travels, i hope you achieve satisfactory liftoff someday and apprehend your destination. so what dosages would you recommend? iam still dialing in on it and its not a fun process. that being said Why milk? it has sucha non taste that it covers the bark pretty well
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