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ms_manic_minxx
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#1 Posted : 11/24/2009 8:13:41 AM
Hello everyone. Smile

SWIM has been intrigued by DMT for a very long time, but is chemistry-challenged. SWIM has been studying long and hard at these forums, and formulated some questions about nontoxic extraction techniques. SWIM does not want to harm anyone (self, others, or Earth), and always pays heavily for the ingestion of toxic substances (intentional or not) during intimate moments with another sacred medicine. Pleased That being said...

D-limonene! If SWIM were to use d-limonene in place of naptha...

Is A/B or STB more effective for use with this particular solvent? What are the differences? Or, are the differences in yields/purity relatively similar, as with naptha?

In the A/B techniques, SWIM understands that evaporating the limonene eventually leaves an orangey goo. Is this DMT acetate at this point? Must SWIM proceed with the FASA techniques, or is that only to retrieve perfect crystals? Can the original orangey goo be smoked (since, if it were done with naptha, one would already have crystals), or must the technique be followed until completion? SWIM has the utmost respect for chemists and their intelligence, but would be quite happy with orange goo for personal spiritual communion.

SWIM has found many references to the "orange honey goo" on the forums, but haven't been able to determine at what point in the process the actual smokable goo is obtained.

When evaporating the limonene, is it possible to use a food dehydrator to speed the process? If so, what temperature is recommended?

SWIM still needs to spend several more days re-reading all the FASA techniques with limonene to understand them completely. In the case of having to follow this method, what are the least toxic/dangerous/stinky/explosive/etc. items to use?

Finally... SWIM possesses a high-end digital water filter with programmable pH settings, from 2.5~12. Can one use electrolysis to bypass the need for vinegar and sodium carbonate in an extraction--or do those items effect the polarity? The water filter also negatively ionizes the water. SWIM remembers wearing safety goggles and weighing pennies on a scale in a lab in tenth grade, so any speculation beyond that level of experience could be dangerous. But, the filter works like a charm when brewing traditional Ayahuasca, so figures it may be useful here. Cool

Also, SWIM has read inquiries about using just water to precipitate crystals. Would having a digital method of altering pH without additives lend to any useful research or experimentation for the forums?

SWIM thanks all of you for your knowledge, patience, and guidance of all seekers!

With much love and gratitude! Very happy
Some things will come easy, some will be a test
 
endlessness
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#2 Posted : 11/24/2009 11:03:20 AM
its better not to evap limonene, because as you said, it leaves too much residue.. Instead, you mix the limonene with FASW or vinegar, which will turn the freebase limonene inside the limo into salt (acetate if using vinegar or fumarate if using FASW), so it will migrate to the acidic solution.. Then you separate, the limonene can be reused for more pulls, while the acidic solution is evapped (yeah can be food dehydrator, will save you time.. better stay at 50degrees celcius or under). This will leave you with sticky dmt acetate or solid dmt fumarate

To freebase it, you're gonna have to mix with plenty of sodium carbonate and add just enough water to make paste, mixing and letting stand, then dry.. Then you can pull with IPA or acetone (or maybe even just wash with slightly basic water, which should dissolve the impurities and leave freebase dmt intact, which could be filtered and retrieved.. but this is just a theory we were talking about dont know if it works or not).. In any case you redissolve this freebase and then evap elsewhere the IPA or acetone..

This will yield you Jungle Freebase.. It also contains other alkaloids appart from DMT, such as dmt n-oxide and probably others, so it doesnt crystalize like pure dmt extracted with naphtha/hexane/heptane.. Instead, if you extracted the FASW way, it will probably first be a goo, which scraping/rescraping and letting it dry will eventually yield some orangeish harder waxy substance, or if you extracted with vinegar, at least with SWIM, it refused to harden up and stayed as a goo.. so he just redissolve it in alcohol and infused some herbs with it (and now its weighing the herbs to see how much of the alkaloids there actually was..)
 
 
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