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A few questions on A/B acacia confusa extraction. Options
 
relsseS
#1 Posted : 1/5/2016 7:40:05 AM
I've used the search engine and found most of what I want, but there are so many different and vague answers, as well as outdated ones, that I don't know what to believe. I am going to follow Josh's tek

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=44251

to extract DMT from ACRB. The tek seems simple enough, too simple actually, which is why I am concerned.

1. Doing 3 acid boils, I have read that many people experience too much water loss and it burns the bark. Is this common, and how to avoid it? I would think adding more water (acidified or not) would slow or defeat the purpose of the boil, creating an endless loop of losing water and adding more?

2. Not much solid info about using a PRESSURE COOKER instead of open boiling. I have a 23-quart Presto Aluminum canner that I use for mushroom substrate sterilization. Upon researching, it is said that aluminum cookers are to be avoided at all costs, due to chemical reactions and oxidation. However most people put aluminum foil on their boils anyway, so what is the real risk? Really I'm just looking for closure, as I am saddened that my seemingly-great PC is now rendered useless.
Can I use my aluminum cooker?

3. The tek states to keep the bark-water warm while doing the naptha pulls. What are some safe methods for doing this? All the tek says is "double boiler is fine". So, have a pot-within a pot boiling and place the jar directly into the hot, empty pot? Wouldn't that crack the glass? (Pressure cookers have racks to avoid exactly this)

4. Shaking the warm lye-water and naptha. I'm no chemist, but this step seems sketchy. Vigorously shake a warm jar full of naptha and lye? How safe is this? I cannot afford lab-grade glass so I will be using mason jars.

Please don't scold me, I'm new. I have grown mushrooms successfully and that seems to be much more difficult than a DMT extraction, however there are no dangerous chemicals involved in that, unlike DMT.
 
DreaMTripper
#2 Posted : 1/5/2016 8:32:40 AM
relsseS wrote:
I've used the search engine and found most of what I want, but there are so many different and vague answers, as well as outdated ones, that I don't know what to believe. I am going to follow Josh's tek

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=44251

to extract DMT from ACRB. The tek seems simple enough, too simple actually, which is why I am concerned.

1. Doing 3 acid boils, I have read that many people experience too much water loss and it burns the bark. Is this common, and how to avoid it? I would think adding more water (acidified or not) would slow or defeat the purpose of the boil, creating an endless loop of losing water and adding more?

2. Not much solid info about using a PRESSURE COOKER instead of open boiling. I have a 23-quart Presto Aluminum canner that I use for mushroom substrate sterilization. Upon researching, it is said that aluminum cookers are to be avoided at all costs, due to chemical reactions and oxidation. However most people put aluminum foil on their boils anyway, so what is the real risk? Really I'm just looking for closure, as I am saddened that my seemingly-great PC is now rendered useless.
Can I use my aluminum cooker?

3. The tek states to keep the bark-water warm while doing the naptha pulls. What are some safe methods for doing this? All the tek says is "double boiler is fine". So, have a pot-within a pot boiling and place the jar directly into the hot, empty pot? Wouldn't that crack the glass? (Pressure cookers have racks to avoid exactly this)

4. Shaking the warm lye-water and naptha. I'm no chemist, but this step seems sketchy. Vigorously shake a warm jar full of naptha and lye? How safe is this? I cannot afford lab-grade glass so I will be using mason jars.

Please don't scold me, I'm new. I have grown mushrooms successfully and that seems to be much more difficult than a DMT extraction, however there are no dangerous chemicals involved in that, unlike DMT.



1. WHat youre doing is adding more water so a) you dont burn the bark by boiling down too far and b) ensuring all the wtaer soluble alkaloid salts have enough water to dissolve in c) enabling the soup to be under prolonged heat to break down the tannin/bark cells so the alkaloids can migrate to the water.
2. Unsure of the risks but if people have said not too use alluminium then dont.
3. Double boiler is to boil a pot, turn heat off allow to cool slightly and place the jar into the just boiled water, your standard jam jar will be able to cope with this.
4. Just make sure you secure the lid and double wrap a towel/thick cloth around the top just in case. Wear gloves and goggles to ensure extra safety. general consensus ios rolling and turning jar over and over is a safer less aggressive and equally efective method of mixing.

Wear gloves and goggles use common sense and you wont sget scolded Wink
 
Tryptallmine
#3 Posted : 1/5/2016 8:56:52 AM
I honestly wouldn't bother boiling at all. It's a waste of time and effort.

I've extracted several times from good Confusa using Earthwalkers ACRB Tek, it's a very quick, no fuss and no mess extraction process. You can knock the whole thing out in about 6 hours once you understand what you're doing. It works wonderfully on powdered bark and turns out pretty white crystals every time.

I would recommend this over any other tek for new extractors.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=58064
 
relsseS
#4 Posted : 1/6/2016 7:34:23 AM
Has boiling been generally proven useless around here, or is it an ongoing opinion?
The search engine gives me no results for anything I type in so I apologize for the blatantly ignorant questions I ask about the process.
With growing shrooms you have to have the process down exactly, taking no shortcuts. ERIC's tek seems like it's just a giant shortcut that also involves heating up pure naptha, which to me seems unnecessarily dangerous. We're shaking jars full of warm lye and hot naptha like it's nothing? It can't be that simple, can it?
I haven't found any teks that explain how to properly heat up naptha, as I'm sure no person in their right mind anywhere except extraction forums would know how to do.

 
Tryptallmine
#5 Posted : 1/6/2016 9:36:26 AM
relsseS wrote:
Has boiling been generally proven useless around here, or is it an ongoing opinion?
The search engine gives me no results for anything I type in so I apologize for the blatantly ignorant questions I ask about the process.
With growing shrooms you have to have the process down exactly, taking no shortcuts. ERIC's tek seems like it's just a giant shortcut that also involves heating up pure naptha, which to me seems unnecessarily dangerous. We're shaking jars full of warm lye and hot naptha like it's nothing? It can't be that simple, can it?
I haven't found any teks that explain how to properly heat up naptha, as I'm sure no person in their right mind anywhere except extraction forums would know how to do.



No problem. There's nothing wrong with heating up naptha - you can do it very easily in a hot water bath. ie Boil a pot of water and turn off all sources of ignition - no open flames or consumer hotplates and half submerge a beaker or other glassware until it comes up to temp. It only takes a few minutes to get 50-100ml of Naptha to the boil.

It is necessary to heat Naptha when you recrystallize. That's usually the only time I do it as room temp solvent works just fine for me and pulls less oils and fats.

There are food safe teks which use things like sodium carbonate, vinegar and d-limonene among other things.

I find Earthwalkers Tek extremely reliable and very fast. Sure it uses NaOH and Naptha, but there are safe ways to handle those chemicals with correct safety gear. Gloves, Eye Wear, Painters masks/respirator and a well ventilated area are all pretty key to working safely with corrosive chemicals.

 
relsseS
#6 Posted : 1/23/2016 4:37:15 AM
Hey guys, just had a few more questions from the pathetic failure that I apparently am.

So I followed the EW's 100g AC tek TO THE T. I did everything perfect, every milliliter, every step as exact as possible.

I got to the part where you combine the acidic water and lye water with the dmt-infused naptha. It was supposed to turn milky-white like the tek said, except it didn't. It just turned a little bit cloudy. Now, in my last failure of an attempt (this is my 2nd attempt in 2 days), I received no crystals after freezing, however the water had turned milky white anyway. This time around, I did everything better than last time, and I seemed to have taken a step backward. (In the tek this step was known as the cleanup process). What could have possibly caused this?
 
cyb
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#7 Posted : 1/23/2016 9:24:09 AM

Have a look here for pics of the extraction (minus the mini A/B) .. just to make sure of your procedure.
Please do not PM tek related questions
Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
 
 
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