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Bancopuma
Senior Member
#1 Posted : 10/13/2015 3:08:23 PM
This is very interesting but given the very long time frame of experience (three days!!), I'm doubtful DMT has anything to do with this...prolonged experiences aren't really its forte. The effect on dreaming and the amnesia reported also suggests that there is something else at work here. Kinda curious though now! Fishing trip anyone??

http://thescuttlefish.co...ght-of-the-roman-empire/

The Salema porgy (Sarpa salpa), a species of sea bream known in the Arabic world as “the fish that makes dreams,” has been used recreationally throughout history, and might contain the hallucinogenic toxin DMT (a psychedelic compound of the tryptamine family).

But how could a complex organism beneath the sea carry such severe hallucinogenic toxins? Chances are that it comes from the fish’s diet, which consists of Caulerpa prolifera, a shallow-dwelling green macroalgae, and Posidonia oceanica, a variety of seagrass. German anthropologist Christian Rätsch believes that the algal epiphytes (plants that grow non-parasitically upon others) and toxic dinoflagellates (single-celled plankton with tail-like appendages that also carry ciguatera toxin, a reef-borne dinoflagellate toxin) which they consume are the carriers of DMT.

Salema porgies are regularly eaten without their consumers experiencing hallucinogenic effects, but in 2006, two men were hospitalized in the south of France after consuming them, one of whom was 90 years old. They both claimed to fall “ill” and experience auditory hallucinations along with lucid nightmares for several nights, until the “symptoms” finally and mysteriously abated. Two case studies regarding these incidents, published that same year in the Western Mediterranean and Literature Reviews, suggest that there may be some scientific confusion in the distinction between ciguatera poisoning and Ichthyoallyeinotoxism, or hallucinogenic fish poisoning (and they may well be one in the same):

A 40-year-old man experienced mild digestive troubles and terrifying visual and auditory hallucinations after eating a specimen of Sarpa salpa in a restaurant. As he had severe behaviour troubles, he was managed in the hospital and recovered 36 h after the meal. He was unable to recall the hallucinatory period. Another man, 90-years-old and previously healthy, had auditory hallucinations 2 h after eating a specimen of Sarpa salpa. The two following nights, he had numerous nightmares and recovered spontaneously after a period of 3 days.

It doesn’t appear to be the most conventional or soothing drug you could find yourself ingesting — and certainly not if it’s done so mistakenly — but it’s still far from the worst, and the Romans sure enjoyed it.
 
DoingKermit
Senior Member
#2 Posted : 10/13/2015 4:04:41 PM
I remember reading about the two guys in the south of France quite a few years ago.

Quite an interesting article. I can see it now, "(insert Nexian name here) was found with a tank full of Salema Porgy fish ready to extract the strong hallucinogenic drug known as DMT. Others have been known to consume the raw fish straight from the water with an MAOI. They are calling it Fishouasca..." Laughing
 
Jin
#3 Posted : 10/13/2015 5:50:12 PM
like salmander brandy
illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
 
downwardsfromzero
ModeratorChemical expert
#4 Posted : 10/13/2015 9:55:02 PM
Then there's the paralysing substance on the tip of the love darts that slugs and snails exchange at the height of coitus. Anyone given that a try? Surprised




“There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work."
― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
 
BringsUsTogether
#5 Posted : 10/15/2015 10:26:12 PM
The wikipedia page on it described the trip as similar to those induced by tryptamines, but based on those descriptions it's nothing like a tryptamine Shocked
 
Bancopuma
Senior Member
#6 Posted : 10/15/2015 10:43:37 PM
Sounds like a dream fish bbq is in order...for science!! Cool
 
downwardsfromzero
ModeratorChemical expert
#7 Posted : 10/16/2015 6:28:17 AM
BringsUsTogether wrote:
The wikipedia page on it described the trip as similar to those induced by tryptamines, but based on those descriptions it's nothing like a tryptamine Shocked

I was thinking that too.

There's quite a number of fish that are said to produce this or a similar effect - so that could be quite some bbq, Bancopuma! (Weather permitting Very happy )




“There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work."
― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
 
Intezam
#8 Posted : 10/21/2015 2:01:27 PM
 
Jees
#9 Posted : 10/21/2015 5:21:32 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org...ki/Ichthyoallyeinotoxism


VG is now into aquariums too Razz
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