I have searched through the forum for information concerning bongs and spice, but I keep getting conflicting answers.

I prefer to use my bong for all spice use, as I find the freebase pipe to be a little too harsh. I have considered getting a GVG, but I bought the bong first, so I am set on using it.

I know not to put ice in when using the sandwich method; but what about a little bit of water in the bottom? I have seen many conflicting reports. Some say that the DMT rapidly crystallizes in the water, while others claim it simply cools the vapor so you can hold more in.

Also this is my method: I put a little bit of oregano or something similar in the bowl (enough so that no spice would drop through the hole), sprinkle the DMT evenly on top (I have used 50 mg every time so far), then a little bit more oregano on top. Then I hold the torch lighter about an inch away, let the spice melt visibly into the herbs, then cherry it with the lighter and begin taking huge hits, holding each in for 10-15 seconds.

What concerned me was that on my last time doing it (I was on shrooms at the time to preface), there was enough yellow-goo-leaf left to allow my friend to also blast off. While I am not against spreading the love, I want to get my technique down right.

Should I not use water in the bottom? Should I not use as much herb for the bottom layer? Also, is 10 seconds exactly enough time to hold each of the hits in?

I look forward to hearing and discussing your thoughts.

I'm not here to comment on bong use with dmt cos I've no experience with bongs in this area rofl, but as far as 10 seconds is concerned... just hold it as long as you can. If you only manage 10 secs then it's not going to lose you a lot on effects. it's more important that you're comfortable and in control of your breathing. If you can hold it for 20 or more it's better, if only 10 then fine... just be comfortable in what you're doing, there's no need to hold any free diving records. if you cough you cough, if you barf you barf, if you really need a breath then breathe.... work with the dmt and it'll work with you.

perhaps try it straight headed at the start so you're not mashed on anything else to begin with then consider mix n match.

Alright. I just read somewhere that tolerance builds up in 60 seconds, so if I am planning on taking 3 hits, I wouldn't really want to hold them for any longer than 20 seconds. I mean, hopefully I would have lost the ability to do so at this point, but as I said I am still perfecting the technique.

Having a set time to aim for is helpful for me, especially as I start to forget that I am even supposed to hold it in.

Hi.

If you like bongs really much, you can try the "Key V2" modification, which is an addition to bongs specially made for vaping spice.

Peace and love.

Oversoul1919: That's really cool! I can't say I have tried using a bong yet, but I'm looking at getting a smaller bong for vaping larger amounts of spice. My glass gandalf sandwiching over ash, topped with mint has sent me through a few amazing break-throughs though.

Thanks for the recommendation, but after reading through this forum a lot and thinking about it, I think I am just going to purchase a Vapor Genie to use.

I may also purchase a health stone or some kind of steel topper to use with freebase spice. I figured that if I was going to devote more time to this, I might as well purchase professional tools.



Or something like that..

Make some enhanced leaf with mullein. It takes only a few hours to evaporate the acetone and is dead simple - just put your DMT in enough acetone to cover the leaf and then add the leaf and evaporate (no fan). A ratio of 1:1 DMT/leaf works well for most and you can smoke it in any pipe/bong and dosing is much easier than handling a freebase powder.

Arcologist, do I burn (smoke) the enhanced leaf or just cherry it and inhale the resulting vapor?

The leaf helps to protect the DMT from most of the heat, since the DMT is infused throughout the leaf matter. You want to light it like you would cannabis (be gentle with the flame), remove the flame, cherry it, then finish the whole bowl before clearing the chamber. You'll want to keep drawing in air continuously until the material is completely combusted, speed is important if you want to break through. You need to finish it within 30 seconds or so to get full effects.