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interesting derailing effect by changing thoughts Options
 
Felnik
#1 Posted : 8/27/2014 3:18:29 PM


Yesterday I tried something for the first time with interesting results.
During a pretty extensive Changa session the effects began to flow on me. I know it well,
I hesitate to use the word routine but it was in a sense. Basically I would consider it to be a first stage
breakthrough experience.
As the colors and the intense body feelings overtook me I did something I've never done before
I diverted my attention from it. I started to think about an appointment that I had later in the day and some
very terrestrial regular life chores I needed to do. There was an immediate distortion in the hyperspace effects
It could not deal with my other thoughts at all. It tried to regroup and realign itself but could not hold on.
The way that it suddenly got derailed was very interesting to me. The visuals actually distorted like a fun-house mirror twisting in a spiral then twisting back as my attention moved back to it.
It was a novel experiment that took me by surprise. There is a certain stage that allows a level of free flowing thought this wasn't that stage at all. At a certain stage It seems to require our full attention or it can't hold on.
I'm not sure if this experience means anything at all but in the future I will attempt this again.
Personally I am fascinated by the way in which the DMT experience at a certain point commands our full attention with the exclusion of all other input. It needs us to be fully engaged in the experience or cannot seem to function. Its feeling more and more like hyperspace for lack of a better word could be some kind of
alive consciousness. I keep coming back to the plants like "its the plants stupid" the plants the plants.

Plants consciousness bridging or crossing into us. Could DMT simply be allowing us access to the collective consciousness of the plant world? could plant consciousness be so complex that it could be mistaken for a different dimensional reality. This could go on and on , just some random thoughts, anyway........

The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
Arthur C. Clarke


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Jin
#2 Posted : 8/27/2014 5:07:46 PM
i've even felt hyperspace itself is alive
illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
 
anrchy
Senior Member
#3 Posted : 8/28/2014 3:26:20 AM
Ive actually experienced this many times while trying to learn to break through. The visuals always change and become less intricate or the colors will dim. Any entities present will let me know that i shouldnt do that.
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"Energy flows where attention goes"

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DreaMTripper
#4 Posted : 8/28/2014 3:42:11 AM
Why shouldnt you do it? Or why do you think they dont want you to? Because you will miss a message? If you are due to receive important information then will it not always come just in time? Its your conciousness to explore how you wish..
Thoughts and feelings seem to have a direct effect on the visuals at medium to sub-breakthrough doses. I had a distraction by a friend in the room once that put me under a bit of stress and the visuals faded, once I had relaxed into it again hyperspace came rushing back. Cortisol among other things dampening the effects so I could be in 'fight or flight' mode? Theres no escaping percieved danger when you are swimming in sacred geometry!
 
anrchy
Senior Member
#5 Posted : 8/28/2014 4:05:38 AM
The feeling i got from them was that the connection wasnt as strong. Especially when by shifting my focus away i was basically halting the onset of a breakthrough, Which i believe they wanted me to.
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"Energy flows where attention goes"

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DreaMTripper
#6 Posted : 8/28/2014 5:22:34 AM
Ah ok I see I missed the first bit of your sentence about learning to break through I thought you were referring to when you had broken through or in the midst of a sub-breakthrough. Makes sense, conciously distracting yourself would be a way of anchoring yourself to the ego.
 
Global
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#7 Posted : 8/28/2014 12:28:37 PM
I'm excited that there are others trying experiments like this. I created similar derailing effects and described them as such when I realized that as I placed my attention on the GVG, as I set it down, even while looking at the patterns head on, they would divert downward into the GVG, thus failing to make a connection with me, and prevent the experience from happening to me. Sudden loud sounds like doors slamming, phones ringing, dogs barking, engines roaring, etc...are also likely to cause the derailing effect for me.

It brings to mind when Terence talks about them saying to "pay attention" and they might literally require your attention more than to fulfill a simple desire of theirs. I've thought in the past that if there is some sort of parasitic relationship going on, what they may be feeding on may be something as innocuous as attention. They are beings of energy and attention seems to carry the DMT energy in hyperspace, so it stands to reason that they require the energy (attention) in order to manifest and execute their multidimensional abilities as optimally and efficiently as possible. In physics, energy is defined as the ability to do "work," and it looks like it might hold equally true in hyperspace.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
 
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