Also consider that I.V. & smoked DMT lead to uncontrollable rushes. Harmalas & DMT have a much slower onset. Set & setting is linked to the dosage, too.

In case of panic attacks, make sure you have 20mg of Valium around and pre-check if there's a medical contradiction administering these substances.




Proceed at your own risk.

Amen. Does the old man in question WANT to be healed? Does he have an open mind to smoalking an "illegal drug"? And most importantly: Does he admit/recognise that he is sick?


The first step in healing is always Diagnosis. Acknowledging that you have a problem/illness.
If he does not do that first there is no hope of DMT, or anything really, healing him from this dreadfull condition.


Even if he IS willing to admit he has a problem AND is open to smoalking DMT, he isn't going to be able to get any kind of positive message out of it, unless he has some positive ideas/concepts in his mind to begin with. If he has no positive framework of interpretation(concepts of Liberation, Awaking out of Ignorance, Breaking free froom Ego, Bliss, Divine healing..etc) he is infinitely more likely to interpret his DMT experiences as demonic assaults & torture or something along those lines.

There may only be hope for a healing outcome if he is open to these positive concepts(Bliss, Healing, Liberation..etc) so that he may recognise them in his DMT experience.
Sofar you've only told us how negative-minded this man is. You went as far as to say he doesn't just harbor darkness, but is darkness itself. Someone that negative is most unlikely to get anything positive from a DMT experience.

I imagine that below all that darkness, this man has a treasure of light, burried very deeply in his Psyche, that you're hoping to drive back up to the surfacein him with the help of DMT. I'm guessing that is what gives you hope this may work.

But if there's no light/joy/positivity inside of him to begin with, no amount of DMT can bring it out in him either. Since you know the man personally, this is for you to judge.





PS: If this man's suspicions of being followed by the Mossad were once realistic.... Why?
Was he once plotting bomb attacks? Was he perhaps onboard with terrorists? You don't get special attention from secret services, unless you're buying ingredients to make bombs, associate with known terrorists or are a big time arms dealer for instance. Unless he was engaging in such dangerous & mad activities I imagine the Mossad would have better things to do than to follow a random old man with paranoid delusions.

I'm wondering...how legit/reasonable are these fears (of being followed by the Mossad)really? (Number 1 Delusion of all Paranoyacs = being followed by secret services

[Edit to reveal the truth at last: Everything that I said in this thread was made up and was part of me playing a character, to gauge how all of you would react to the concept of treating schizophrenic people with psychedelics. The man in the story does not exist. My main goal was simply to get a taboo concept back into your minds, and to remind you that this fear about "psychedelics and mental illness" is a very recent phenomenon - and that not long ago, in the 50s and 60s, there were extremely successful studies that actually used psychedelics to treat insanity. Then came the drug scare and the hyped-up, false claims as the war on drugs began... But scientists are now starting to re-discover these benefits, and are finding more and more uses for sacred molecules to treat diseases of the mind. A return visit to the Universe is often exactly what a depressed or schizophrenic person needs, and I am happy to see that the winds are slowly changing. In a not too distant future, we may all be psychonauts, and it will be seen as naturally by the western world as it is currently seen by the much wiser, ancient shamanic tribes that revere and treat their souls with these sacred compounds. There is a gigantic, untapped and forbidden world out there, and it is humanity's birthright to be allowed to return to it to remember who they are... Love and peace.]




Yes, he is sick of being trapped in his own head. Being constantly occupied with the newspapers and the drama in the world around him is draining him and wasting all of his energy, and it hurts his relationships with everyone around him since it's unbearable to listen to him talk about material-world crises so often. It has become very pronounced now that he's over 70 and starting to become tired.

He recognizes that he is sick and wasting his time and that he's obsessive; but it's like an old, compulsive habit that he has indulged in for the past 50+ years and he finds it impossible to break. His mind has convinced himself that what he does somehow matters. It is an itch he needs to scratch. His mind knows what he should be doing, but he can't muster the energy to let go and actually do it.

My gut feeling is telling me that the only cure is a hyperspace kick to finally help him let go of all material worries.

And like I wrote at the end of the previous page: If DMT and such a man ever meet, it will not be until the moment feels exactly right. You should not proceed at all if it feels wrong. The subject needs to be calm.


Just remember one thing from this thread: Scientists in the 50's and 60's have successfully treated severe mental illness using psychedelics, and they were making incredible progress until the drug war began and everything was suddenly banned in a fit of mass panic. You have to look into the science results for yourself... There is incredible potential for treating sick people using mind-liberating substances, and it's up to us to dare to resume a line of treatments that were cut short too soon - not because it was damaging - but because scared, puny politicians decided to outlaw everything. Keep that in mind as you read through this entire thread... Whether you treat someone should of course always be preceded by good judgment. Evaluate the person, and only proceed if you are confident that it is the right path for them.

Please, before you do anything DMT-related with this person, let him read this forum. Ideally, let him post his own questions about having a DMT experience to the forum. Let it be his own decision, his own trip. Surely you trust him, like he trusts you?

Definitely start with harmalas and build up the DMT slowly, as harmalas allow you to gradually build up the intensity. Apart from that the harmalas themselves create a comforting afterglow. Freebase harmalas can also be smoked or vaporized.

Your friend may benefit greatly from a gentle but deep massage to relax his body. When done correctly, this can have a marvelous effect. Intellectually controlling people often harbor a lot of emotional tension in their body. Softening up these tensions helps letting go and submerging into the DMT experience. Ask around for a good massage practitioner, don't settle for sports massage or physiotherapy type massage but look for someone with an eye for the mind-body aspect of massage.

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I can see that you have this guys best interests at heart but projecting what you have gained from DMT onto another may not work. I also think that it is a tad irressponsible to play amateur Dr Roofrack by using psychedelics on someone with mental problems. This whole thread is a grey area with regard to the rules of this forum as far as i can see.

I don't know what your experience is with DMT but you have made some pretty strong statements that are so far from being correct that I can't resist giving my input.

I have dosed quite a few people. Some of them for very similar reasons as you have in this very scenario. I thought I could help them. Now none of them had paranoid dilusions although one has moderate PTSD.

I am now currently pulling away from dosing others for a few important reasons. First off you cannot control what type of experience they have whatsoever. In your situation a strong rough experience can be extremely detrimental. I can't imagine what I would feel knowing I had messed someone up after giving them DMT.

There is no guarantee nor should you think that anyone is going to have that rare special dmt experience there very first dose. Most people don't. The larger doses are more likely to cause such an event, and that would be very irresponsible of you IMO.

Dose dependent, strong life changing experiences can be hard on the mind. Now matter how strong you think he is mentally you don't know, and since he has paranoid dilusions that he can't overcome this is a no brainer.

He should not take dmt unless it is a pursuit that is in his hands only. Otherwise his blood is on your hands.

Couldn't put it any better, you are seriously playing with fire if you start acting as his psychedelic medical practitioner..
The treatment given to those children in the report were done under experienced professional medical supervision with experienced psychedelic counsellors and followed up in the same way. For some it was a last resort.
If you are set on this I suggest giving him all the information , positive, negative and neutral and letting him make his own decision as firstly its wrong for you to collude him into it and secondly I doubt you would be able to support him 24 hrs a day 365 days a year if his mental health gets worse.
Have you actually tried just talking with him about his fears? In depth lengthy conversation to help him see the source of his fears and paranoia? You say hes 70, has been in a war? Or war zone? He may have PTSD for which there are less dramatic psychoactive drug therapies.. Even beta-blockers have been looked at.

Over time I have learned an important lesson. Dmt is a personal experience that in most cases only gives it's best lessons to those that seek it out on their own, and work with it closely.

I now encourage anyone interested to understand that if they want what dmt can maybe give you, you should research, extract, and practice it's use with your own efforts. Although I volunteer my help with any of those activities as well.

Dmt is rarely a "one dose your magically healed" experience. Even then most of it is likely the subjects own doing to continue the healing. Its very likely that someone that already has dilusions will have their greatest fears come up in the experience and not have any clue how to deal with it.

I read through the whole thread but cannot recall if you said whether or not he has previous psychedelic experience or not. I think it would be better if he was evaluated for possible acceptance for mdma trials or possibly psilocybin. In a professional setting.

Fully agree with Anrchy here.

All you could, or should, do is to present the idea and tell your story. Tell him where he can go to explore the idea, if he likes it, and you can support him if he so chooses to do it. But this needs to be entirely his decision.

You're suggesting an extremely psychedelic experience to a paranoid borderline schizophrenic?
No, nope, that can't go wrong at all.

I think your friend needs help, professional help, letting him play around with psychedelics is like gambling with his sanity, i'm not sure if your friend smokes a lot of weed or uses meth, or other drugs, but if so that's the first thing he should definitely stop doing, his extreme paranoia could diminish drastically.

Psychedelic experiences can and probably will put him so much deeper then he already is, he's obviously not able to cope with life as it is right now, letting him smoke DMT will only give him so much more questions...

Unless you really know what you are doing don't even consider it.

Some day you'll find him hanged in his home with 6 bullets shot in his back and a piano string around the neck and you'll realize you have been the fool all this time and the Mossad found him thanks to you carelessly posting about him online!

I agree about that "kicking the grizzly in the grizzlies" thing! (thanks for the lolz btw 3rdI)
I know it's tempting, but it's probably not a good idea.

One thing you should do is stop calling your neighbors "dark human entities", however freaky they may be.