69ron wrote:Kannamate, I never got much effects from valerian either until last night. I think the cold water extraction was the reason it worked so well. Apparently, the actives are volatile oils, and they easily vaporize away if hot water is used. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I read recently. Has anyone tried vaporizing valerian root? If your religion, faith, devotion, or self proclaimed spirituality is not directly leading to an increase in kindness, empathy, compassion and tolerance for others then you have been misled.
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Anyone but me like lobelia for similar purposes as valerian? I used to use it for meditation. I feel like its fond of me, a feeling i have not gotten from anything else. I normally do not like sedatives either, but the Lobelia makes meditation very deep and easy to enter into. Lobelia's spiteful though-use too much and it could quite possibly kill you, but before that itll give you a bad headache. Then , if you take much too much like i did one time itll make you very sick in the stomach. It's also known as vomitweed... But its fun stuff, really! Just take it slow on the dose. Come into the garden maud,
For the black bat night hath flown
and the woodbine spices are wafted abroad
and the musk of the rose is blown
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I have used valerian for insomnia....It doesnt put you to sleep as a sleeping tablet does, rather it just puts you in the space where you are able to sleep Love
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I am a much better at shooting when i use valerian. It helps me relax into focus.. This is what it does. This is subtle zen medicine.  “The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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69ron wrote:Kannamate, I never got much effects from valerian either until last night. I think the cold water extraction was the reason it worked so well. Apparently, the actives are volatile oils, and they easily vaporize away if hot water is used. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I read recently. We could test this theory. If it's true then cooking valerian in a pressure cooker with no steam outlet should theoretically be just as effective as the cold water method once allowed to cool (oils would vaporize, and then re-condense)
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I know this is an old thread but I'd rather post here than start a new one. r0m wrote:SWIM tried valerian tincture while on the end of a LSD journey. That was really pleasant, just before a bath, it doesn't take the effect off but it rather make the trip more dreamy and shut the nerves off. That's a very good thing. I had my first opportunity this weekend to try valerian root extract at the end of an LSD/MDMA experience. Approximately 150-200mg MDMA was taken ~6/7 hours after ingestion of ~125mics L, with 10 drops valerian extract administered another 4 or 5 hours later. By that point my body was tired from many hours of dancing and my head-space was relaxed but active. The valerian has a subtle yet welcome calming effect on my body and mind. I found r0m's description of 'shutting the nerves off' to be very accurate. It smoothed the edges of my body-mind, allowing me to sit in a calm and restful state. A further 5 drops very taken immediately before retiring to my tent for the night. Beautiful headspace, quiet and without racing thoughts or feelings of mental fatigue. I would definitely recommend using valerian in this way. "Becoming a person of the plants is not a learning process, it is a remembering process. Somewhere in our ancestral line, there was someone that lived deeply connected to the Earth, the Elements, the Sun, Moon and Stars. That ancestor lives inside our DNA, dormant, unexpressed, waiting to be remembered and brought back to life to show us the true nature of our indigenous soul" - Sajah Popham.
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I tried Valerian root about a year ago for a few weeks to help with some anxiety and sleeping problems that I had then. Unfortunatly I have to say that I got no effects at all except possibly placebo.  A guy I know once took 100 pills (about 20 grams of extracted valarian root) and got no effects at all either. Ofcourse people react differently to drugs so maybe I am just belonging to a minority for whom valerian root does not work.
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