I have read around the forum a lot about this topic and I have seen a number of threads covering this topic, but I feel like I have some useful info and some questions regarding the ACRB goo results many people including myself have gotten.
I have been working with ACRB for about a year now, and it is the only plant I have ever extracted. I cannot compare to other materials such as MHRB. I will try to quickly give a rundown of my extractions and then a few thoughts and a question about the results.
At this point I have Mod Edit:No discussion of sourcing, Thankyou over the course of a year. The first in early spring of last year, and the last three during late fall or winter of last year/this year.
Batch#1- 2 kilos ACRB whole pieces( most pieces were at least 2" long, 2" wide, 3/8" thick) Batch#2- 500gms of shredded root bark, much smaller pieces very thin and most under 1" long Batch#3- same as batch #2 just ordered at a later date Batch#4- same again, just a later date
The method I used to extract is similar to thick-lights tek, with only a few changes. I did 250gms at a time and did all my acid cooks and reducing done in a slow cooker. I never used salt either.
My first two extractions from my first batch of bark resulted in a clear goo from the room temp precipitation and even more goo from freeze precipitation. After doing 6 more extractions from the same bark, I finally came up with a method of using an extensive freeze precip in order to grow some crystals that were large enough to collect. The end result was still mostly amber colored goo though.
When I got my second batch of bark I went the same direction expecting the same results,( I don't mind the goo actually, it is difficult to work with, but the trip is sublime) this time though I got nice white fluffy crystals At room temp precip and only slightly sticky white crystals from freeze precip. It has been this way for me ever since, my last three batches of bark have produced nice clean crystals with little effort.
My thoughts on this,
#1 The first batch of bark I got may have been genuine root bark, since then I may have been getting trunk bark. The alkaloid content between the two is a bit different from my understanding and could explain my results. My first batch had a better yield even if it was goo, close to 3%, my last 3 batches have been consistently 2% yield.
#2 There is some kind of dramatic seasonal variation in either alkaloid or plant fat content. I assume the bark I purchase is pulled from many different trees and combined for shipping, so it is most likely a homogeneous mixture, and therefore unlikely that any one tree is the cause. I could be wrong on that it is just conjecture. Perhaps there is some part of the growing season that is not ideal for harvesting root bark?
I don't consider getting goo to be a problem, I am just truly curious to nail down the cause of such drastic results, from using the exact same process, with supposedly the exact same bark.
I have yet to see a general consensus here on the reason for these variations in results, and I would really like to see if it can be nailed down. Is it NMT or is it plant fats?
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I'm pretty certain that there's seasonal variation in alkaloid content. It might even vary based on what time of day it's harvested. I know that's the case with plants that have it in their leaves not certain how much it effects the content in roots of plants.
Thr acrb I have now seems to have a higher nmt content than the last bark I had from July. I was getting cleaner spice (mostly goo free except maybe a little on the last pull) from the bark from July and I was getting a yeild around 2%. It was almost like extracting from mimosa.
The stuff I have now has been yeilding around 1.5% and there has been more goo. It gets solid after awhile, but it seems closer to the 50/50 dmt to nmt ratio I've read about for this plant.
Now that I think about it the first acrb I had was from December 2012 and it also produced a good amount of goo. Based off these observations I'm guessing that nmt content might be higher in the winter months and possibly lower in the summer. Or possibly dmt content could just be lower.
This is pure speculation. It's entirely possible that the difference could just be that they were harvested at different times of the day or Grown under different conditions. I'll be curious to hear how this compares to other people's experiences.
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Ok, so apparently I misunderstood something about the source discussion rules, I did not give a name or location of where bark can be sourced. I will be more careful in the future, my intention here is not to break any rules or cause any trouble whatsoever. If somebody could set me straight on what I did wrong it would be appreciated.
My experiences lead me to believe the opposite to be true, that bark acquired during spring and summer is problematic. There is a long term easy way to determine this, keep acquiring the freshest bark possible all year round and compare the results.
Is NMT freebase just not a stable crystal structure at room temp? Or does it form such a fine crystalline structure that it easily traps moisture and solvent in its structure when being freeze precipitated. Therefore causing the crystals to melt at room temp.
These are just a few random thoughts I had.
During my most recent extraction, after room precipitating most of the spice out I decided to stick the whole bowl of naptha in the freezer without recovering the room precipitated DMT first.
What happened was interesting, the thick layer of crystal got much thicker, but also a mass of very fine free floating crystals formed. These crystals refused to settle to the bottom even after 3 days in the freezer, and they had a strange look to them. More like congealed fat than crystals, but still like very fine crystals in texture. I have seen this before from my first batch of bark and it turns to goo everytime.
This time instead of trying to filter this stuff out, I decanted as much naptha as I could, leaving only about 30-40ml in the bottom. I then swirled the little bit of naptha around quickly, to pick up all the floaters and decanted it in a separate dish.
As soon as the naptha hit the dish, the floating crystals turned into globs of goo and stuck to the bottom, I then quickly decanted the remaining naptha, leaving the dish upside down on some paper towels to dry.
The goo remained goo even after sitting open to dry for a few days. The odd thing was there were a few nice white crystals sitting on top of this goo and not dissolving. The thick layer of crystals in the bowl dried out fine and produced nice fluffy slightly pinkish crystals.
Did I manage to separate out NMT or plant fats? The goo was tested and found to be active but not nearly as strong as goo i had extracted from my first batch of bark.
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Pharfromsober wrote:If somebody could set me straight on what I did wrong it would be appreciated. There is no discussion on selling, buying, sourcing, acquiring, pricing, trading, mentioning pending deliveries or smuggling of drugs on the site. This includes bark... writing that you 'acquired' or 'sourced' bark...is discussing it on an open forum. All the required 'rules' are laid out in the Attitude section and is it is in place to save the admin of the site from unwanted attention. Perhaps you could edit your posts for us. We hope you understand, thanks. Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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