Felnik wrote:It's possible to have what I consider a breakthrough
Experience and still remain alert and present on earth at the same
Time . The word Breakthrough has become such a fixation .
If your committed to the process a breakthrough of some kind inevitable .
They take many shapes and sizes
I completely agree with you, as I'm in my body more than others it should seem. In general however, if the OP is noting what appears to be unconscious users, then it could be the case that they're having an OBE, or maybe they're still in body (as I tend to be) but even with eyes closed, it can be difficult to discern how "aware" the person is on the outside. No matter what the state of mind is, it is difficult and often innacurate to judge how a person is feeling or what they are experiencing by examining their "outer shell". Before I smoked weed, I used to think it was an uncomfortable experience cause the bleary sunken-eyed look and hazy mumbling looked incredibly uncomfortable to me, on the border of being sick. Little did I know I would grow to love that state.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb