Hey everyone I'm new to the forum and I have a gram of DMT and a half of shrooms and I've never used psychedelics before but I've been looking into them a lot especially around this forum and you guys got me really interested in trying them out but I was wondering which one I should do first or if it really matters at all because I don't want to do one or the other and not be ready for it you know? I'm not really afraid of doing them, I know not to be because it can mess with your adventure but as someone on here said I forget who "DMT isn't something you should fear but its power demands respect" (something like that). And that's pretty much how I feel towards it now. So I decided to ask the masters themselves (you guys) and see what all of your opinions on the matter are. By the way does it leave a smell in the room?

P.S. I have a really spiritual friend who I plan to do both of those things with encase that changes anything. I'm not a really spiritual person myself.


(Anyone who isn't interested in story time stop reading here because the first part is all I really need answered and I don't want to bored you )


This might seem a bit unrelated at first but bear with me. So I've been with this girl on and off for over 2 years now and in the two years I've been with her I have literally never once ever come close to understanding anything about her (deeper than just like easy things) and it really really bothers me because I mean I love her more than anything in the world and I want to understand her and because I get really paranoid because I can't figure out whether or not shes lying to me or cheating or something like that. Lastly because we go through these periods where she likes me less and less and then stops liking me (for the most part) and we'll stop talking for lets say 3 months and then she'll just have to see me on a certain really random day and things are back to normal. Well, right now were in one of those periods and they drive me insane and honestly maybe I'm just being blind and the answer to this last ones right in front of me but I really don't understand it.

I think one other strange thing I'll add is that were are literally exactly alike in every single way possible to the point where is just disturbing. Anything I eat or she eats and we enjoy we instantly go and share it with the other one a week later and we always have the same opinion on it. We both decided to go to an art show and we separated to test if we would pick the same pieces as the other one. Every single one we liked was the same and that's seriously not an exaggeration or anything.

And for any of you who know about the global conscious theory (everyone consciousnesses are linked together in some way) we are literally living proof of it. If I'm just laying around bored and decide to think really hard about her she'll text me or call me. If she gets sick I get a headache and its the same for her. My friend lives on the other side of her neighborhood and whenever I'm at his house (its a big neighborhood its not like she can see my car) she'll text me and ask me if I'm nearby. We call or text each other at the same time a lot, we both can say what the other one was going to say before the other one can (she can do it a lot better with me than I can with her) and I never need to explain anything she just knows.

We have all the same favorite everything's and the only differences we have is I think linearly when she things sporadically, shes Russian I'm not, she likes meeting knew people and is a little social butterfly when I'm not at all, I mean I'm smarter than the average bear but shes a full on complete genius I mean shes even got perfect pitch hearing I've seen her pick up any kind of instrument and just figure out play it in a couple minutes and I think shes one of the most beautiful girls I have ever met and I'm just some random average looking guy. Which I also don't get because I've seen the guys that talk to her and they're all stunning and yet shes in love with me and I'm not rich or anything either. I know that kind of thing happens sometimes but I mean the difference is pretty radical from me to her and good things don't typically happen to me. Bad luck follows me like I'm the only one its interested in. Shes also pretty much supernaturally lucky both her and her mom are but I have the feeling that it has something to do with her mom being a chakra healer/massage therapist. So as you can imagine its really frustrating that I can't figure her out when I'm in love with her and shes so much like me.

And to make it a little more annoying she figured me completely out within the first year. And before you ask why don't you just ask her a lot of deep personal things well I mean I have and I know a lot about her but I just cant figure out how she thinks or why she does the things she does or why the things that happen with her happen.

So the whole point of this long ramble was that I'm completely in love with her and she (as far as I know) loves me too, but I feel like until I figure out how to fix this loop of us being really really close and then her suddenly needing to be away from me things are never going to progress farther than they already have and its really painful to be away from her for such a long time I miss her a lot. And I really want things to progress because honestly I need to wait a little longer to know for sure but I think I might want to marry her but that'll be a during a more financially sound portion of my life (college isn't cheap ) I just think shes perfect for me but don't get me wrong there are a ton of really strange problems I haven't mentioned but I can see the potential in being with her making me happier than anything else ever has. I mean falling in love with her changed my entire philosophy on life and its not like shes the first person I've ever had feelings for.

But what I think is causing all these problems is something happened to her as a child (she shows a lot of signs of emotional damage and gives off a lot of ques of a repressed memory or ies) and shes mentally scarred from it and its causing emotional damage but until I figure her out I cant figure out what it is or how to fix it. I don't know if she even knows it happened because its probably repressed but I feel like I have all the information and time spent with her to figure out whats wrong but I just can't in whatever mental state I'm in. Do you guys think because I've heard shrooms or DMT can sometimes help you answer questions or figure things out do you think if I made the whole point (mindset) of my shrooms or DMT adventure figuring that out that I'll be enlightened with the answer?

I'm only doing shrooms once and then the next time will be in a while so that'll be like a one and done thing, but if not this first DMT adventure the next one should I? Or should I just let all my forest fun with shrooms and indoor fun with DMT be started with an open mindset ready for whatever it wants to show or tell me and ended with that same open mindset?

Im open to all advise whether its DMT, shrooms, or relationship thank you to anyone who reads this and to anyone who responds. Sorry its so long and personal! I told you it would be boring! I've asked a lot of people to help me try to figure out whats with her and maybe you guys will know. After reading so many things on this forum I just feel like your all so wise. I wonder how I'll be different after I've experienced some of the things you guys have. Hopefully for the better! Thank you everyone! I'm really looking forward to being apart of your community!

It sounds like you have problems with insecurity, so it could be helpful. A strong psychedelic trip can have the effect of a rite-of-passage, like a rebirth into adulthood. If you decide to do it, be warned that you could be facing a mental state that has you believe you're dying. Of course, if you're using safely you won't die, but the feeling can be real nonetheless. If this death process teaches you how to overcome fear and be confident within yourself, then it could help you.

Psychedelics also can be incredibly helpful in sorting out emotional knots and bad thought patterns, but again I warn you, the process can be difficult. Don't expect to have fun on psychedelics if you're a candidate needing deep emotional healing and building of maturity and wisdom.

So that's the long answer, but short answer: yes, they can help you. But, I would recommend for you that you get someone wiser, older, and more experienced with them to be present during your experiences so that you don't hurt yourself physically, mentally, or emotionally.

And my last advice: You probably didn't get any replies by now because your post hurts the eyes. Try to use fewer run-on sentences, more punctuation, and break up your text into paragraphs. Makes it so much easier to read!

I would recommend starting with the mushrooms. Nothing can fully prepare a person for the DMT experience, but psilocybin/psilocin can give a person some sense of what the tryptamine-altered state is like. The effects of psylicybe mushrooms are similar in some respects to the effects of DMT. That being said, they are still different substances and have some very significant differences in effects, as I'm sure you already know.

When you say "a half of shrooms", what does that mean exactly? A half gram? a half pound? A half gram probably won't even produce a full low-dose mushroom experience, but it might be a good way to determine whether or not you are sensitive to tryptamines/psychedelics in general. This is absolutely a good thing to know when determining the dose for your first DMT experience.

Also, I agree with azure about the paragraphs and run-on sentences. People tend to skip massive walls of text, because they are very hard to read.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Good luck, and please share your experiences with us!

Half an ounce of them sorry! They're Penis Envy ones which I've read are stronger than some. So what would you guys recommend someone that's never used them before doing for there first time on them? And yeah I later came to that conclusion as well about the huge pile up of text. I just wrote it in a hurry because I had to go pick up a friend (he was trapped in the snow) and just wrote it really fast.

But with what you said Azure, I know you're right about wall of those things and they are things I do want to get over but after recent developments I'm not really sure how unless shrooms do it because I decided last weekend to just smoke some of the DMT because its supposed to be cold here for a lot longer and my friend said we should do it instead due to this and because I read that the trips are really nothing alike anyway and the fact that it would only be for a couple minutes was comforting. So after trying DMT I've tried it about 3 times in the last 4 days and I've never really been able to get farther than some intense visuals for probably like 5 minutes at the most. Breaking through is something I really do want to achieve and honestly for pretty much all of the reasons you stated (if it wasn't for the girl it would be the entire reason for even doing them, the second I found out about that I knew I had to try them) but I can't seem to get even remotely close to getting there.

Along with that I wasn't really aware of the body high that comes along with DMT because everyone always talking about the visuals and the few people I've tried it with have said that they felt good and relaxed from it but every time I do it its goes like this (if they aren't massive hits): First hit no visuals, amplified feeling of anxiety, second hit some visuals very strong feeling of anxiety, third hit really strong visuals and overwhelming waves of something I can't even recognize seem to roll over me. I enjoy the visuals but I hate the body high and I'm wondering why no one else seemed to feel like I did.

I also can't seem to find anyone like who you described I thought an old friend of mine would be a good choice but after being around him again for the first time in a while something didn't feel right and I've decided that I don't think he's the right person to do them with.

Definitely mushrooms before DMT. I suggest using the magic mushroom dosage calculator over at the shroomery to calculate a rough dosage to get where you want to go. I`d suggest low-medium dosage.
Enough to experience the true effects, but not enough to throw into a potential psychadellic shitstorm
Additionally, I always feel a rise in heart rate and a rush from vaping DMT..I thought most people do. I don`t even really get psychadellic effects from vaping DMT without harmalas anymore...but that`s another story.

What was your dosage for the DMT and how were you smoking it?

I really don't enjoy the experience brought on from low doses. It leaves me with a very strange bodily sensation, stuck in this sub-sub-breakthrough realm of seeing some CEV's but still being aware of my outside surroundings. On higher doses, I do not have enough awareness of my body to recognize any discomfort.

I was hoping someone would say that! So it gets better as you smoke more of it, okay that takes my biggest concern out of that. I really didn't like the body sensation that came along with the low dosage visuals. Now I just need to figure out how to scale it right (I have two .01 scales but neither of them seem to calculate it very well) and how to smoke the most efficiently.

I originally was using just a small oil burner until I realized that with some hookah parts and my Illadelph that I could attach the oil burner to the Illadelph and use it as a chamber to fill before I took the hit which made smoking it a lot more efficient, however, I'm not sure if I'm using enough and I'm almost 100% positive despite research that I'm not heating it completely correctly and that I'm losing some in the process. All I know about dosage is that I was using 20+ mg of it. I'm not sure of anything other than that.

By the way some tips on handling it would be greatly appreciated because I have a hard time trying to scale it and a hard time trying to get it into the oil burner. I've been using small pieces of paper to hold it an carry it from apparatus to apparatus and as a makeshift funnel for the burner but that's the best I could come up with.

Oil burners are really not the best method for DMT, due in part to it's low boiling point. It is really difficult to get the technique just right with an oil burner and efficiently vaporize spice without burning any. The fact that you were using >20mg and only felt effects to that level, I would say is probably indicative that you are burning a significant percentage of your dose.

I really would recommend that you invest in a reliable mg scale and a more efficient smoking method. The margin of error on those .01 scales is typically way too large to accurately weigh spice. I have tried many different smoking methods/vaporizers, so here are my recommendations:
The GVG has given me the best results by far. But I don't recommend investing in one until you are experienced enough with DMT to determine if you are likely to continue using it for more than a handful of experiences. No point in spending >$100 just yet, when there's still a chance you might come to the conclusion in a few weeks that DMT is just not for you.

The only low-budget methods I have had good results with are enhanced leaf/changa and The Machine. I have more experience with The Machine than enhanced leaf, but based on my experience I would go with The Machine. It is a close second to the GVG in terms of efficiency, and it also comes with the added benefit of not having to inhale smoke from burning plant matter (something I try to avoid whenever possible). That being said, many people on this forum are die-hard enhanced leaf/changa fans and rarely use any other method. I would say try both and see which one suits you better.

Are there any cheap mg scales you recommend? Because I have 2 scales and I really don't want to buy another one especially since now I know the oil burner I bought is useless I don't want to keep investing all this money into this. But I definitely will take your advice and go build a machine because I really am having no luck with this oil burner.

Some a few of the people I have done DMT with though have had Pax by Ploom which is a vaporizer and originally I was going to see if they would let me use that. Do you think it would work well? And would they forever wreak/taste of DMT after usage? I'm still going to go make the machine for personal use but I was just curious. I also can't use the lead method, I thought about it, because I don't smoke anymore. I stopped a few months ago because it just made me really lazy and I'm a paranoid person so I like the thought of being clean you know? And in regards to using other leaves, I'm with you I don't really want to breath in burning plants.

By the way I've been wondering this a lot because I keep seeing it everywhere on here. What is changa???

the best devices are convection devices, the machine will work as well as just about anything.

do a search for changa, there's endless info on the forum

Seems like you two both get along really well and seem connected, and thats hard to find these days. The thing about relationships is, once you start over thinking, analyzing every conversation, bring up relationship talk it will push the other away, best to let things happen naturally.

Maybe shes waiting on you to make a move on her? Maybe she feels the same way, if a female is interested in you, her body language will make it clear even if her mouth does not. One thing I notice is the batting of her eyelids, youll notice her eyelids seem to pulse more when she looks at you, little flips of her hair over her shoulder, try lowering your tone of voice sometimes when you speak to her, if somethings there then her tone will match up to yours.

But you cant force things, but you also have a short amount of time on the scale from her seeing you as a partner to just a friend. She may just like the positive attention you bring to her ego, women are very strange as are men, we think differently. Women are just like that some times, one day there all over you the next they barely say a word. My best advice to you is to just treat her right, especially if she has issues. Just treat her like a women, dont play games with her, share personal things with her, and sprinkle on a compliment when the time s right, if shes into you that way, shell invite you to hang out alone, maybe in a car or alone at one of your places and the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. Women know when a guy is playing games and when they are being sincere in the things we do.


As for the mushrooms, I wouldnt suggest it if you need answers to a relationship, worst case scenerio your mind implodes on itself causing you to pick up your phone and start texting her all types of emotional things out of the blue, which may not be the best thing to do...

Say a very small dose of mushrooms, and a good changa session with a close friend or two sounds like it might help.

Regardless good luck. We have all been there there is no magic answer here other then to just treat the girl you like right, Whether its ment to be only time can tell. Just be patient with her but dont start believing shes the only girl in the world. She does not seem like the loyal type just keep that beating muscle in your chest protected. And make sure youre thinking with the right head.

Changa is a smoking blend with both DMT and harmala alkaloids (the two main chemical components in ayahuasca) infused into leaf matter. I don't have a lot of first-hand experience with it but from my understanding it tends to make the experience a little bit smoother, i.e. slower onset, slower-paced and longer experience, gradual comedown; rather than being catapulted directly to the center of a black hole and then crashing back down into one's body within 5 minutes. Many people on the forum prefer it. I prefer vaporizing freebase, but I will occasionally vaporize some harmine/harmaline freebase mixture ahead of time to the same effect, when I am not on the medication I currently take.

The AWS Gemini-20 is the cheapest milligram scale I have ever seen, and it is semi-accurate enough to weigh DMT. I have never heard of the Pax by Ploom before, but yes DMT has quite a distinct flavor that would likely linger in the piece for quite some time.

The beginning of that message is pretty much something she's said to me a few to many times. She's always telling me not to over analyzing things and stop over thinking every little thing that happens. It's something I've been working on, but its hard because I'm a very, very paranoid person so I like to know absolutely everything and see everything from every angle I can.

Its not that she's waiting for me to make a move though. I've tried before and she always turns me down but whats strange about it is that while she turns me down we are (well not now were not talking right now because shes in one of those time frames) an exclusive relationship that just doesn't have the title of dating. And in my mind that could mean shes either afraid of doing that or she feels better about "cheating" on me when we aren't in something like that then if we are. But I don't even know if she is cheating and even after 2 years I still can't tell if she would or not.

I will definitely be looking for those things even though I'm almost 100% positive she has strong feels for me back its just and this is where it gets hard to explain she just can't accept them. Which sounds weird I know but an example of what I mean is she'll be extremely affectionate one moment, i.e. saying I love you, kissing, other things and then the next moment or even during one of those moments she'll pull away and feel horrible about it. And she has no explanation as to why and I don't either. I mean she has straight up broken down and cried (she hates crying in front of me) a few times over it because its such an overwhelming thing for her and trust me I am in no way shape or form the first person shes done anything with. Though I am actually the first and one of the only people shes ever had feelings for.

With what you said about the short time frame from partner to friend that doesn't really even make sense with her either, despite the fact that I completely agree with you. One day she'll be telling me how she wishes we could just be friends and the next day or even the next hour she'll be telling me how she loves me or we'll be together and acting in a way that friends do not act with each other.

Whats so hard with her isn't just the normal things that are hard with women, its just nothing makes any sense in anyway shape or form. Nothing is logical, nothing at all. And that's the issue, things are actually how they should be for two people that have been close for 2 years one minute and then the next its like we've been friends the whole time. Something in her head is causing her to think two maybe three different ways about almost everything but just at different times and I can't figure out why shes like that and what triggers it.

It's almost like I live three separate lives with her. One is as the person she loves, one is as one of her best friends, and one is as no one at all. And the way it usually goes in her head is when we first start talking again she loves me, then were best friends half the time and in love half the time, then were just good friends and in love some of the time, then mostly just friends and then she ends things and a few months later the cycle restarts. Its insanity!!! and I don't know what to do other than keep going through it!

In regards to your advice on mushrooms though I am really thankful you said that because I did not think of that scenario and I could very easily see myself doing that. And its one of the reasons my phone won't be with me at that time but I think I'm just going to go into it open minded to whatever they want to show me instead of me trying to force something from the experience.

Good luck to you on whatever endeavors your partake in as well I'm really grateful for the response! And I always try to treat her as nicely as I can without over doing it though. And I'm sad to say but I've been stuck in the "only girl in the world" mindset for a long time now an despite many attempts to get out of it I just don't think I can now. If we ever really stopped talking it would probably take a year but I could do it but we are never absent from each other for that long. And in response to your last sentence (which I got a good laugh out of) trust me, the amount of work and heartache I have and do put into this is probably equal to or less than her how good she looks despite it being a lot of work (shes very beautiful) but it is much greater than the amount of "return" I get for it lol.

Sorry about the two posts! I don't know how or if you even can respond to two messages with quotes in the same post.

The Pax by Ploom is a really expensive pot vaporizer that uses a small convection oven in the front to vaporize the weed. I felt like it would work amazingly with DMT but it isn't worth ruining one for a long time, or just decreasing the pleasure of using it.

With the scale though, while twenty dollars does seem really cheap for a scale that measures in milligrams I would just feel stupid spending more money than I already have on DMT when I'm not sure if I'm ever going to do it again after I run out. I'm definitely going to hang on to that link in case I do decide to continue using it.

I think I'm going to go build The Machine and then try smoking it with that just eye balling how much I put in because my thinking is it would be less expensive to experiment with how strong the trip is using different eye balled increments than it would be to go buy another scale and do it using it. But if that sounds completely insane because its really really hard to do that by just looking at it then tell me and I'll probably reconsider. I still enjoy the visuals and the trip even if its weak so it doesn't really seem to bad to me to experiment finding the right increment that way, but again correct me if its something I will probably never get the hang of.

If after I do build The Machine I achieve a break through or it becomes the most amazing thing I've ever done or something I have to just have I definitely will go invest in a Vapor-Genie and a milligram scale to enhance and make the experience much better. And I will definitely go get changa if that's the case because I think a more relaxed less sudden version of DMT would be very enjoyable. Though sometimes you gotta keep it classic

I'm not sure if this is something you would know because you smoke it out of a vaporizer but you've been extremely knowledgeable on absolutely everything I've asked about and have been more help than I could ever hope for and maybe someone else will read this and know if you don't but when I build The Machine I'm going to make sure it is attachable in someway to my Illadelph bong so I can use it as a chamber to fill so I can just smoke it all in one breath but a problem I have is that since I don't smoke cigs and I don't smoke pot anymore I don't really have an tolerance to breathing in harsh things especially things as harsh as DMT. So I have a hard time holding it in for 20-30 seconds. So my question is will using water in my bong and using ice in my bong effect the DMT negatively in anyway? I.e. it condensing on the glass and losing some, it not diffusing right through the water, things like that. Also do you have any advice on how to make it a less harsh?

With how much I'm doing now which is with losing some from bad form and probably not smoking enough of it I can hold down the hits for for about 15-20 seconds but I feel like a problem I'm going to start running into as I try to break through is that a hit large enough to break through on will be to harsh for me to keep down long enough for it to be fully effective. So I'm trying to plan ahead for that.

Yea, I looked into it when you mentioned it. The problem with using electric vaporizers with DMT is that it is difficult to get the temperature right. The temperature that one sets the vaporizer to is typically not the actual temperature of the material being vaporized. Also, vaporizing DMT can require adjusting the temperature mid-toke. Electric vaporizers usually take some time to heat up or cool down.


If you want my honest opinion, I think you would be better off with the scale. Eyeballing DMT is very difficult and not accurate at all, because the density of the crystals can vary significantly. Even between crystals from the same batch. Taking a larger dose than anticipated could potentially produce a very difficult/uncomfortable experience. I'm not trying to scare you or deter you in any way, many experienced members on the forum have never used a scale. But personally when I was just beginning to explore DMT, I had several unpleasant experiences from eyeballed doses and only one or two good ones.

If you end up deciding that DMT is not for you, then you can give the scale a good cleaning with isopropyl alcohol and resell it for $5 less than you paid.


Properly vaporized DMT should not be harsh at all. If it is harsh, you are probably burning it. This is precisely why I recommend The Machine, because it is so easy to vaporize spice properly through it. I have used The Machine many times, and I have introduced a decent number of people to DMT via The Machine. Neither I nor any of them have ever had a problem with the vapor being harsh on the throat or with not being able to get the whole dose in one breath.

I don't recommend water filtration with DMT as I have a theory that it cools the vapor causing it to recrystallize, therefore wasting a higher percentage of each toke. Ice would amplify this reaction. Again, this in only a theory, but there is no need for water filtration when the spice has been vaporized properly.

If you do decide that you'd rather use a bong, I recommend using no ice or water and building The Inspirator rather than The Machine. It is a less commonly-mentioned convection vaporizer design, somewhere in the same range of efficiency as The Machine.