Anyone else sort of... Get what I am saying?

Smoked some mostly NMT goo that I mechanically separated from FP-ing DMT.

I find that it makes me feel generally uneasy and bored, and I don't really like the head-space.

It really, literally feels like meh is a real tangible thing. o.O

I have extracted and crudely separated a bit of it, it needs a higher dose than DMT, how much did you work with when you explored?

My only significant experience with it so far was very abstract, much less visually comlex than DMT and a bit jarring. It didn’t feel “meh” to me, but I did leave with the feeling that it was a psychedelic substance not meant for humans! That won’t stop me delving again, but it definitely felt very odd indeed!

I have yet to try NMT on its own or in a mix with DMT, but I have heard many people say that its a very different experience compared to DMT. It has been described to me as being able to "feel" another world, but being barred from "seeing" that world. As if it gives the mental effects of a classic psych but with a larger body load and almost no visuals. Maybe larger doses would create visuals, but most of the people I have read reports from say that they are uneasy about going deeper due to the body load.

What exactly do you mean though when you say you feel like its a psychedelic substance not meant for humans though? What animals do you feel this substance is meant for?

I have tried quite a bit of NMT that has been completely separated from any DMT. I would describe it as having a strong energetic body buzz with almost no visuals (cannabis-style). The body feeling is similar to DMT and lasts for 15-30 minutes. I have smoked up to 75mg and the effects are consistent but stronger at increasing dosage. I find that it's actually more recreational that DMT because you're not committing to an epic hyperspace journey. It's less stoning than cannabis, more clear-headed. Mentally, I have a slightly increased rate of thought (like DMT), but I'm always in control. It makes me want to close my eyes and meditate. It does not cause any pupil dilation like other psychedelics.

That is interesting that it does not cause pupil dilation like other psychs. Why do you think the reasoning for this is? Maybe its not really a psychedelic, but should be classified as something else since it seems to have only body effects and very slight thought increases? Does not sound like a traditional psychedelic to me. Still an interesting compound none the less and I hope to try it one day for myself.

I would guess that NMT is not a very strong 5-HT2A receptor agonist since this is the receptor where other classical psychedelics produce their visual effects.

One other nice thing about NMT is that you can use it to help someone practice their smoking technique before having to take the plunge with DMT. It seems pretty similar to DMT in quality of vapor and can be burnt just as easily, so it would be a nice way to practice.

If it does not bind to 5-HT2A receptors, what receptors is it most active with? I have never heard of or come across a psych that is not an agonist of the 5-HT2A

^..is this with the pure freebase?

..NMT is a 5HT-1A agonist.. see https://www.dmt-nexus.me...m=300323&#post300323

it was found by test subjects to be an effective meditation tool..at high doses (90mg) there can be some brief visuals..

as i wrote in the above link:
"Effects of 5-HT1A activation include decreased aggression or increased serenic behavior,increased sociability,decreased impulsivity, inhibition of addictive behavior,facilitation of sexual behavior and arousal,inhibition of penile erection,decreased food intake or anorexia,prolongation of REM sleep latency, and enhanced breathing or hyperventilation and reversal of opioid-induced respiratory depression."

it's 'oxidation' product is 1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-beta-carboline..differing levels of this byproduct may affect potency, or modify effects..

I am not sure what animal should use NMT! To me it felt a bit like I had just done something that a human should not do. As I say, that won’t stop me experimenting again with it, I still have a bit here.

..there can be something a bit 'odd' about it, but i think this is partly to do with getting used to what it is actually doing..we're used to looking for visuals..
..interesting comment, though, d*l*b..i like it..
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some of these reports really do remind me of the wild phalaris extracts I have worked with at a certain dose.

Interesting you'd say that. I've never separated the NMT out of my ACRB extracts, but there is definitely a difference you can feel. I seem to sort of fall into the NMT space out of hyperspace, like its this thing that's been going on in the background,a separate trip happening, but it's not mine. It's like maybe there's some galactic squid smoking NMT somewhere out in space and it's seeing me as an entity in it's trip. Where I feel connected with the energies of hyperspace, there is a disconnect when I fall into NMT space.

The visuals I associate with it are more of a "feeling" of something behind a ring of golden light. I dunno, it's strange but I like it. Squids are one if my favorite animals tho.