okay...i just HAD to get this ball rolling....i have read one too many accounts of "i smoked a breakthrough dose of spice and then ran a 10K" and "i did a big MAOI sublingual dose, waited an hour, smoked .03mg spice and then WENT SURFING.."....

wtf???? am i the only monkey in this tree who loses all touch with concepts like "body" and "beach" when he goes into hyperspace??? i'm an extremely physical guy and would LOVE to experience doing anything physical while in communication with the spirit molecule....but for me it's not even a distant dream of a possibility....

would love to explore this with all of you and hear from those who can and have had "functional journeys" as well as anyone who goes "out to lunch at the hyperspace burger bar" like myself....


LOVE AND GRATITUDE!

Yeah, fuck going anywhere or doing anything whilst under the effects of DMT. A proper dose of DMT and i'm parylised as soon as it hits me. I can't move, my body is surrendered and i aint goin anywhere, whether i like it or not...

I really really really enjoy surfing and skimboarding AFTER smoking spice, as in durring the afterglow...I have gone surfing on a small dose of mushrooms(1 gram)..but it was a really small day, mostly longboarders. There are lots of trails right near me as well that I mountain bike on, andI like to stop at certain places(rivers and lakes) and smoke spice and salvia, but I cant do anything but lay there and trip while peaking.. hiking with low doses of ayahuasca has proven enjoyable as well..if it gets too be too much, I just lay down in the bushes and dream.

edit..I also think that there is a HUGE difference between dosing, and dosing into hyperspace...of course, we all know if someone says they smoke enough to breakthrough, than go running, odds are they didn't quite breakthrough!

Hey Atrocles, how about a hit of spice out in the middle of the water in a kayak? I guess that this could be pretty dangerous but a small hit should be fine. I think that pharmahuasca after you know that you are in control would be quite nice. I know that I used to go rock climbing on lsd (30 years ago)and climbed stuff like a spider that when I looked at straight I had to shake my head. Most of the time I would climb cliffs that there was no possibility of trying to come back the way I went up. Never did have to be rescued. Looking back I realize that I'm lucky to be alive.

it cant have been a strong enough dose for surfing after smoking dmt.. or as fractal enchantment mentioned, maybe in the afterglow but not during the trip.

Maybe up to a certain dose of pharmahuasca, some people could do good in sports, but not SWIM.. Whenever there's dmt involved, SWIM knows his movements are going to be minimal, all the work will be inside the head.

Acid, on the other hand, SWIM can up to a bigger dose be quite aware of his body, and many times at least apparently MUCH more aware and able to do things. He already hiked on acid many times, and had such energy its incredible. Also making jumps 'parkour' style in nature a few times, or playing football. Its as if one can get in touch with every single muscle cell and body control possibilities and really act on it. When too many drops are taken, though, SWIM also just melts into everything haha

TOUCHE MEMO!! LOL!! however- i did make sure i was all "stabilized" with my oar across my lap before i blasted off.....and for the first ??minutes the words "kayak" or "physical activity" had no relevance.....even when i forced myself to open my eyes the minute i got my ego back (still PLENTY far gone) i just sat there in awe for a good half hour as i floated....

L&G!!

My swim can't imagine doing anything physical on a breakthru dose of spice, because he's not in this world anymore....at all.

While my swim would hesitate to use spice on a kayak, he LOVES to use enthogens in the summertime on his 24 foot cabin cruiser boat on Cape Cod, dark nights full of stars and the gentle breezes and water rippling, its an amazing experience just to be there, but with salvia wow! This summer he will be adding spice to the mix and hopefully our mushroom friends will join the fun!

I've really enjoyed reading the posts of Antrocoles the past few weeks. Very interesting guy as well as articulate.

Peace
Sight Seeker

you cant do any thang on break trough
here on earth any way
if you say you can your lying .

now ive taken aya and went swimming and running
had sex (you have to do this )and all the things gods children do

but id say be safe know whats comming in the streath of the brew
and if not
wait till the peak is over


but not on full blown break through doses
i mean really

With smoked dmt SWIM is just getting to where he can get up and walk outside. Usually he has to be laying down and even turns the television off, if there is music it has to be very low. He is looking forward to doing it outside

SWIM finds it hard to believe anyone does anything too strenuous while under the influence of spice unless they took a very small amount. As mentioned in the nature thread, SWIM has a view of the pacific ocean from his patio and is able to watch some incredible sunsets. He works out quite a bit and is fairly physically active, but a couple weeks ago was feeling rather lazy. He decided to smoke some DMT and watch the sunset. Afterward he felt so good that he immediately threw on some running shoes and did a quick 5 mile run. Felt great! Of course, that's AFTER use, not during...

I think almost always these stories of physical activity are in the after-glow. All the swimmers here know the feeling... the feeling of complete euphoria of being ALIVE having just experienced wonder beyond our years... the warmth... makes me want to run right now actually! Or do something. Anything. It's all beautiful.

As for the actual journey, SWIM can barely move.

He finds that after the trip, he usually prefers to sit still and reflect on what just happened.
He thinks physical activity takes away from the experience.