Aha! I got exactly what I was looking for.

After my transformation was completed by 4-AcO-DPT, I had refined my intentions. No longer did I seek states of ecstasy - nothing is to be gained by such a pursuit. Now, I simply sought knowledge. Information. Specifically, I wanted to know more about the stuff which makes everything - the thread by which everything is woven. Philosophical questions poked me, that is.

And so, in a very calculated manner, I first drank Syrian Rue cold tea. A half hour later, I sniffed fifteen milligrams of DPT. I knew that the addition of an MAOI to DMT made it more memorable and comprehensible. I also knew that blasting off into DMT hyperspace was much more effective when departure was made from a suitable launch pad - a threshold dosage of DMT worked in the past, but I surmised that DPT would do just as well, and I was feeling experimental.

Then, in the pitch black, I drew DMT from my Vapor Genie. And, equally to my shock as my delight, there they were. The fabled DMT beings. The elves, the aliens, call them what you like. In addition, exactly like McKenna and others reported, they were trying to show me things! They held out their cupped hands, in which there were completely incomprehensible doo-hickeys. I was really, earnestly curious to find out more about these thingies for a number of reasons, not the least of which was the fact that the beings themselves seemed to hold them in such high regard. There were numerous thingies, and I can't possibly recall half of them, but the most memorable were:

- Something resembling strands of DNA?
- A hand of cards, which was artfully fanned out before me.
- Something symbolizing the somethingness of nothing - an object which only existed because it was a cut-out from some stuff which pervaded all empty space, like the paper from which some shape was cut.

And, I can only conclude that these beings are real.

What? Is reality, which encompasses the human being, not strange enough to permit the existence of some other completely novel form of intelligence? I mean, think about it. Need you more proof than the damned bowl of cereal you eat for breakfast that the world is an endless mystery?

So there it is. My hypothesis is that some distant life form has been around longer than we have, and has had time to at least begin to develop a technology which takes advantage of quantum entanglement or something similar to span the vast distances between us. If we take the time to analyze these messages more thoroughly, we will discover their language, which will enable us to communicate so, so much more than spooky fans of cards and ponies with one eyeball.

Hush. There isn't any good reason to believe that they don't exist - even if we're wrong, at least we had fun exploring the possibility. The cool kids like to imagine.

This trip was a good reminder of a lesson that I'd learned numerous times in the past - psychedelics are not about brutalizing your ego with sheer dosage. My most eye-opening trip to date was achieved with what was actually a rather modest dose, considering the result I got. I had temporarily forgotten this lesson this evening, and was absolutely courageously bound and determined to shatter my ego as forcefully as I possibly could, barring all fear.

But, as I was vaporizing the DMT, and reached a certain point, I hit a fucking brick wall. Try as I might, brave as I was, it was completely impossible to get any higher, simply for the sheer force of the unimaginable pain that would greet me if I went any further. I knew, believe me I KNEW! how horrible it was to intake excessive DMT. A pain that, I'm guessing, rivals the most imaginative forms of torture. A pain that I am, to this day, shocked that I endured without any lasting psychological damage.

So, I stopped before I had planned to stop. And there it was that I met something that quenched my thirst for imagination more than I could have hoped. Now I'm really, REALLY intrigued. I can tell - I've got a lifetime's worth of exploration beckoning my curiosity deeper still.

P.S. I was absolutely NOT expecting this to occur, unlike the implication that my opening sentence might give. I had practically forgotten about the preexisting theory of alien intelligence opening up through DMT use.

It goes way deeper, but congrats on having gotten your foot in the front door

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Haha, I love it!

I come to the DMT-Nexus and post my findings of an alien intelligence, and the response is like, "duh, it took you this long to figure it out?"

Man, it's going to be hard to keep myself away from hyperspace now.

Im happy you had such a life changing powerful experience. Ill never forget my first contact with the others and just like you they were showing me cards with glyph s on them. I came back with your same mindset. There was no doubt in my mind they are real. Now 7 years later and hundreds of journeys Im not as sure what is real.
Real to me meaning that these beings exist outside our experiences on their own.

I've received the same message over and over. "We are not Gods, we are highly evolved life forms that have shed physicality long ago and now exist as pure conscious energy". I am slightly agnostic on this matter but lean to this being quite probable.

The universe is indeed a huge mystery but to have the clearest understanding its best to not decide what is real then go look for it.

Very insightful, and a good reminder not to develop an unhealthy obsession with the alien idea, BUT - I still think it would be rather foolish not to at least make a side project out of looking into this matter further.

I mean, considering how many people have had such strikingly similar revelations on DMT, it begs to transcend mere hallucination.

Man made it to the moon. And it wasn't because he decided that it was too fanciful an idea, and quit halfway through trying. There was immense determination, effort, and pain - along with probably a LOT of doubt that it could be successfully achieved - but we did something that is no less incredible than communication with an alien life form.

Indeed it certainly does and is valid to explore further.

Just a word of advice. In my quest into this inquiry I became obsessed with hyperspace, launching 3-5 times a day for over a year. It caused me problems in my personal and work relationships. Its a powerful quest and easy to get gold fever.

Enjoy your path and I wish you all the best.

Thanks man, I honestly appreciate the words of wisdom. =)


Another thing that occurred to me - many people have initially had a similar idea, and subsequently tried to find some form of proof that the beings were real. Like, I can't recall who, but somebody thought that if the aliens could solve a math problem that noone could solve in his head, then there certainly would be proof of their reality. Then, when the beings were unable to solve this individual's math problem, he (or she) concluded that the idea was all a bunch of baloney.

Ha. To think that, because your feeble mind couldn't crack the code at the first attempt, means there is none?

Nobody is claiming that these aliens are magical omniscient gods. Like I said, it's probably an infant technology, and they can just barely eek out a cry for attention: cupped hands with strange colorful gifts held therein. Why on earth would we assume that they can read our minds well enough to discern a math problem?!

This subject has been a re occurring experience for me for years. First with DMT then with ayahausca.

I began my quest with the logical approach, that if these beings are real their must be a way to garnish some type of evidence. I didn't need or feel proof is possible and still dont especially since ending this quest. Evidence would have been enough for me to hold a belief as my own.

Mate, its not from an arrogance standpoint that I say these words so please take them as intended. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BIZARRE it can and will get. Read my tag line, its there for a reason.

Not everyone takes things to the same levels but those that do understand exactly what i mean. in a way, this experience of yours, as important as it is is just the beginning.

I also came up with different ways to find evidence. Using sigals unknown to me in the room and asking the beings to show me whats on the cards, things like that. Nothing ever came of these tests.

However the one phenomena that has happened to me multiple times that would be quite good evidence but gets really freaking creepy and peculiar are 2 multiply repeated experiences. First is that the entities have wanted to come through me into this world becoming physical matter. The second is these beings informed me how to create matter from nothingness during the most intense ayahuasca experience of my life. I felt I could feel the matter coming into this world between my hands but baulked for personal reasons and didn't feel i was worthy nor ready for this type of impossibility. The after effects I felt could do me and my psyche harm having not been prepared for this thing that may have been possible.

All the better. Heh.



That's why I'm stressing that these hypothetical beings shouldn't be confused with omniscient gods that can read our minds. They may be able to only vaguely signal us, without knowing exactly what sort of tests we're asking them to comply with.



Interesting. More recurring themes, something to pay attention to.

Very interesting thread people. Love it!

Another idea that popped into my head while reflecting on the experience:

One of the gifts that the beings presented me was clearly a butterfly wing. It makes sense that the hypothetical distant life forms are taking advantage of the butterfly effect to signal us during DMT flashes. If distant life forms could signal us from billions of light years away, why wouldn't they simply hijack cable television, or something similar? Why would they need to specifically contact us through states of DMT intoxication?

Well, perhaps this can be explained by the highly sensitized and chaotic nature of the brain on DMT. Think about the fractal, as in recursive, nature of psychedelic visuals in general - a tendency toward recursion will make any system highly sensitive to the slightest change of initial conditions, because those initial conditions will be factored into the evolution of the system again and again and again. That's what a fractal is: taking something very simple and building it into itself again and again until it's infinitely huge and complex! And, this is also the essence of the butterfly effect, wherein a very sensitive system develops something initially subtle into something much more significant.

So, assuming the ability to remotely manipulate matter or energy here on Earth from billions of light years away is very, very feeble, the alien technology needs to create an image in a system that exhibits the butterfly effect, to magnify a signal that would otherwise go unnoticed. A DMT-affected brain is the perfect choice, because of the aforementioned chaotically recursive nature, plus the colorful detailed visuals are a perfect medium for communication, like a high-resolution television is the perfect medium for displaying video.

It also makes sense to me that crop circles could possibly be another example of the same phenomenon - distant technology taking advantage of the butterfly effect to turn an incredibly weak manipulation into a weather pattern that is engineered to etch specific symbols into crop fields. In fact, weather patterns are the first and foremost means of illustrating the butterfly effect!

I've been messing around with DMT quite a bit lately, because I was sucked right into hyperspace due to this intriguing trip. I'm starting to highly suspect that these entities are not actual physical aliens, and thus only exist "inside our heads".

Somehow I am convinced that they are more "real" than random hallucinations. I'm not quite sure what "real" even means anymore. Just because they're hallucinatory doesn't mean they don't have some kind of abstract "reality". But what could this be? Why am I so convinced that these entities are something to pay attention to? More important than just brain weirdness produced by drugs?

Thoughts?

I think your outlook is very well stated and reasonable. As we spoke before I too go back and forth trying to understand what is real. I agree that the hallucinations of dmt are quite unique and special and understand your struggle and desire to know more. Its one of the most fascinating parts of my human experience.

Keep searching and learning and its nice to see your desire to stay grounded. Its the best attribute be can have to find their own truth.

Good thread thank you for sharing your ideas and experiences.

^ Thanks for your kind reply. =)

BTW, who is the blue person in your avatar?

I, for one, do not think they are real.
Do alternate life forms exist in the universe? I'm certain there are, because of the perhaps even infinite amount of solar systems.
What I do not believe is there are life forms which only appear to people at the moment they are tripping on a very powerful psychedelic and never leave any concrete form of evidence.
I've seen them and they appear to be very very realistic but when you try any advanced form of communication with them they appear to be just a hollow shell.
Never the less very interesting trips come from DMT

Personally I have never encountered any entities in my psychedelic explorations yet, in part I guess as a psychic self-defense mechanism as I know it would seriously make me question some things and intuitively I know it's not the right time to rock the boat so much. Or maybe I'm just being a pussy

At any rate I wouldn't have any difficulty conceiving of beings out there with whom we can communicate after tuning our brains to the right frequency (the old analog tv analogy), and I seem to recall this having been discussed before.

I guess ultimately we can never know for sure, altough at the same time in a sense they are real, subjectively to the person experiencing them, by definition.

What would really astonish me would be "multiplayer trips" where the scenarios being played out and the entities appearing are the same and multiple people see the same events playing out during the trip.

While even that would not conclusively point to the independent existance of such entities, it would (in my view and to the best of my current knowledge) raise very interesting questions about the nature of consciousness and perception. I have read some reports of such trips but they are few and far in between, and always a friend of a friend of a friend..


So, I don't know. Are they objectively real? Perhaps, perhaps not. Even having not experienced them firsthand, I can tell that it is a question bound to keep us spinning. In the end we may have to be satisfied with not knowing and accepting that whatever it is, at least we are able to take positive and meaningful experiences out of the trips, something that few here would disagree with I'm sure.