HEY!! Some weird shit happened to my spice I thought I'd tell people. I took a picture of it, but I can't seem to find it, I'll post it when I find it.

This spice is about one year, 7 months old, and is in clumped powder form. It was produced using stb, naphtha, freeze precip. I did not do a defat on it. I has been stored in capsules in a bottle at room tempt. It has always been yellow, likely due to no defat, but it has increased in yellow and turns brown as it gets older.

The reason I did not do a defat, nor store it in any particular fashion is because from my readings, I basically concluded that while a defat and better storage may result in less oxidation, and easier vaporization, the product is still pretty much the same thing, and most importantly, not particularly any more hazardous to smoke. And again, most importantly nothing BAD will happen to the spice over time, like for example, it turning in to something else altogether, and becoming unhealthy to smoke.

I have happily smoked this spice for the last year and a half, and never had any problems with it, until a few weeks ago. I started started vaping, and as usual, the powder first turns to liquid before it vaporizes. I was having a hard time vaping it. I looked in the bowl and there appeared to be bubbles. I thought the spice was boiling or or something. I figured it was just a droplet of water that got in the bowl so I kept going. I inhaled smoke, and it tasted freaky! It tasted like mold or fungus or something. The smoke was thick and heavy. It did not taste like dmt. I still got some kind of a tryptamine high, but it was not very pleasant, and the smoke felt damaging somehow.

I looked in the bowl and there was something GROWING in it. I continued to apply heat to the bowl, which resulted in further growth of some bright orange ugly looking thing. I have provided pictures. The reason why it is so brown and disgusting in the bowl is because I continued to apply heat until I destroyed the spice and it got nasty in there. I know it's gross n shit, and from now on I'll clean the spice and try to use it up within a year, but what I want to know is..... WTF happened? Like how is this even possible? Chemically, what could have happened? Clearly a chemical reaction took place because it smells different, there was a color change (it went from yellow/brown, to some funky orange shit), and somehow, a change from liquid to solid!!! Instead of liquid to vapor, which is supposed to happen. I scraped this mass from the pipe. It had a taffy like consistency, and did not have a uniform consistency throughout. The outside was that bright orange, and inside some soft white, puss like shit (I didn't get a picture of that). It was almost like a pustule.

So now this same thing pretty much happens every time I try to vap this old spice. It won't vap easily, and it smells different and when it burns, it doesn't taste like burn, but more like fungus or something. I'm worried I smoked some kind of spores that might fuck up my lungs or brain or something. So any theories on wtf happened chemically?

I apologize ahead of time for not being much help. The color and consistency reminds me of a time that some spice I had was altered by being in the sun. It started out as perfectly white crystals, then turned into a mass resembling what you have in your pictures kind of. It became this dry crumbly substance that looked like clay. I made changa out of it and it worked perfectly. As for the taste being off I am not sure. I've read before that DMT can be oxidized into a substance that wouldn't be any good. There are some teks on here where you can alter the chemical make up of the DMT for long term storage that wouldn't let it go bad, and when ready for use you have to do another chemical change to bring it back to freebase form. I'm sure you will be more answers from other people.

..Apoc, i did some experiments a little while ago i haven't written up yet to try and make DMT-N-Oxide..basically i left DMT in very basic solution for a week before pulling with NP..

..the oxide bubbles like liquid, and tastes TERRIBLE..the smoke is harsh, hard to take in..and the state, while entheogenic, just feels 'wrong'..like an anti-dmt parallel world..of course it wasn't GCMS tested so, there may be other oxidation products in there too..

the same material extracted normally tasted fine, was solid, didn't bubble, and had pleasant effects..

..my theory is excess H20, and a perhaps traces excess basic material in the extract, led to oxidation..
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well it would be a relief if all that happened was mere dmt-oxide. However, my concern is that something solid actually grew right in my pipe! I was applying heat to this stuff, and a solid mass formed right there in front of me, instead of vaporization, or merely staying a liquid if it wasn't hot enough to vap. Why the heck would it change to a solid mass with a clearly different smell? It smells different after applying heat. The unheated product still has a dmt smell, although does kind of have the bad oxide smell to it, but applying heat is definitely causing some kind of unwanted, accelerated reaction.

Speeding up the reaction?
DMT residue that's left in a pipe after use, and then smoked can taste BAD and be weird.

it wasn't residue, this happened on the first attempt at smoking. And it wasn't even that it tasted bad that disturbed me, it's that some sponge like mass that turned bright orange formed as the result of heating it. It disturbed me because those are signs of chemcial change, and that combined with the fungus like taste and smell that I've never encountered after hundreds of encounters with spice, makes me worried that it is something fucked up.

Also, I have smoked "residue" many times, and had no problems. Sometimes I load a bowl purposely with multiple smokes, and it fine the second or third time around. As long as it doesn't burn, I haven't had problems with it.

..i was going to add before that the smell of the presumed Oxide was like the taste when DMT has accidentally caught fire (oxidizing) ..and the weird effects..but i agree if not burned residue should be ok..

very weird Apoc..theory and experiment: perhaps adding a drop of H20 to DMT, then heating up will do this..? (oxidise)
if not..i'm calling the White House Alien Alert Hotline!!

is it possible that whatever your capsules were made of caused this. maybe gelatin or ? that your capsules are made of migrated into your spice?

idk, just taking a stab in the dark.

interesting

IH

The red/orange color reminds me of a batch I had stored in a dark/cool/sealed jar for ~6 months. Upon opening the jar the freebase had changed from the initial white color to a light red. Noticed an altered taste and seemed less visual on a light dose so I dissolved/evapped to make some Enhanced Leaf and found it enjoyable but can't recall any more specifics on effects (upon further thought I remember I mixed the now-red freebase with some other white freebase for enhanced leaf). The spice filled a quarter of the jar or less so Im not sure if the other 3/4 being air could have caused oxidation over time. For long term storage I believe you would be best extracting DMT fumarate or converting freebase to fumarate.

I have little knowledge in this area but the solids that formed could be from pyrolysis? Too much heat could result in unknown reactions with the DMT and other impurities, leaving behind (unknown) waste products on your glass piece. Again, I'm not we'll versed here but by looking at your smoking device and reading the situation you described it seems most likely to me.

It can also form a betacarboline over time, potentially at least. This also seems to darken the product.

If this is the case the material will glow under a black light with a color that DMT does not.

interesting. I may buy a black light just to test. The product is definitely less intense. I remember the glory days when the spice was fresh I could easily breakthrough with one good puff. Lately 3 giant puffs don't do it. I won't use that brown stuff anymore. It's going for oxididation reduction using benyme's suggested muriatic acid with aluminum foil method. It's time to get back to the good old days and re-aquaint myself with the true dmt experience.