Hi there everybody,

I have been trying for a good Aya/Pharmahuasca expereince for 10 years now. Although time is precious I have tried and failed on so many occasions that I have concluded it simply isn't in my genes.

My last attempy was with extracted harmalas from syrian rue and extract spice from MHRB. I took it with my girlfriend and another friend. I divided everything into 3, though the harmalas were a little wet still. I think everything measured out at 300mg harmalas to 250mg DMT (slightly orange, so not the purest ever, hence the heavy dose, but smoked fine).

We drank harmalas first and spice about 20 to 30 minutes later.

Within 15 minutes my girlfriend and our friend were tripping hard. My girlfriend spent the next 3 hours lying in bed crying at the beauty of everything, with entity contact. Our friend was tripping balls and much more active in a world of his own, quite often talking to himself for well over 3 hours......

... and me, absolutely nothing! The highlight was a walk to Tescos to buy some tobacco! The other two couldn't even believe I was able to get outside let alone communicate with others. My experience was absolutely nothing! Not even a hint.

I think the highest does I tried was around 500mg harlamas with 500mg spice and I got what I would call knocking on the door of threshold.

I am somewhat cautious to exceed this amount in case it suddenly does all come together and it is a little too much. I am use to extremely high doses of other things in my past but am much more settled now. I don't want to come back too altered. I am only 65kgs too.

Have just made some jungle spice and more harmalas and have some left over orange looking dmt with I am going to make into Changa, which I am yet to try. Perhaps I can use this as a kickstart to Aya/Pharmhuasca? Or just except that Changa might be the way for me. Although I have had many a breakthroughs smoking DMT I would much rather have a smoother and longer more informative lesson.

My jungle spice I made has formed lovely cyrstals, I thought it would just be goo. Perhaps I'll post a pic on a jungle thread.

Anyway, anyone else found Huasca just doesn't work for them?

Peace

That also sums me up when it comes to pharma. Even though I've never tried as much as 500mg dmt freebase in pharma, getting threshold effects with 500mg harmalas and 300mg dmt in a single setting was very meh.

You will see people getting floored with just 30mg dmt in pharma, and others that need 200+ to just feel something. The general consensus is that pharma just doesn't work as expected in everyone. Have you tried aya? that may work much better for you. Also, how do other molecules treat you? Do you have weird tolerances to mushrooms, mescaline etc?

Finally please be careful with dosing others people with what you may consider as a low dose; 250mg dmt could had possibly been unbearably strong for your gf and friend.

Thanks for your reply Infundibulum,

I have tried Aya a couple of times a long time ago now and both times where very threshold expereinces.

I do seem to have a high tolerance to substances. Shrooms use to be my all time favourite in my younger recreational years; I remember trying to eat a thousand liberty caps one time, but maybe managing 400 before feeling too full and coming up and loving that. Quite often I would top up my shroom trips through out the night and frequently eat well into the hundreds. I just loved them!

Mescaline I have only successfully tried once on a big does and never really felt the need to try it again, though I really really enjoyed it. I do have some here but it never feels right to try. Just waiting for the day I suppose.

LDS too, I would always take considerably more than my co-trippers. The funny thing is, they always seemed more smashed and confused than me. I always found with any form of tripping, the more I took, the more everything else made sense. When my friends were tripping hard I remember telling them things like 'Don't worry, take some more, it'll make more sense then', but they never did. They knew their limits.

If I look back at my past though I did go well over the top on pretty much everything I could lay my hands on. Everyone I knew thought I would die before I was 30 (and as it happened I did, but thankfully the club I was at had paramedics on hand!.. that's when things calmed down and I sought a more spiritaul enthnogenical path).

I was a long long time I made Aya and recipes back then may not have been as they are now, so maybe it might be worth looking into again. Although Changa interests me, it's nt quite the same as the Aya. I would like the expereince the traditional as well as the evolution.

Just a thought...do you take any medications that might interfere with MAO inhibition? I'm a little hazy on it after all these years, but I seem to recall that SSRIs can block MAOI.