Hey everyone, after hearing so much good about harmalas I am giving in and giving it a shot.

I want to work with caapi first, but don't know the first thing about it. Many vendors have many different types of caapi leaves, in terms of extract and color etc.

What would be a good type of caapi leaf to order for my first time working with MAOI/harmalas.

I will NOT be doing an extraction with the leaf due to my living situation, but was going to make changa or even just smoke the caapi on it's own before entering the DMT realms.

Is smoking caapi in a joint worth it?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Hey brother, Im somewhat new to changa myself so check this info but im pretty sure just the caapi leaves alone wont be that effective of a harmala base. You should order some harmine extract or something like caapi copy and infuse that with the leaf and dmt.

I have vaporized straight caapi vine before and it has very noticeable effects but I haven't tried dmt after it. I scrape at the vine with a knife making a dusty shaving pile load that in the VG and vape as normal. Its very relaxing and I liked to do this after a long days work. Leaf I never vaped on its own so I could be way off base here and hope for somebody more experienced with changa chimes in.

Type of leaf won't matter much. It will contribute to the effects smoked, but it really needs to be concentrated somehow. Look around for how to make the 10x caapi leaf, that is really what you need. You basically soak 100g of leaves in alcohol, then dry it out on another 10g (or save some from before or after the soak).

Yeah i would make 10x caapi leaf for changa

and also if you want freebase harmalas then extracting syrian rue is the way to go. You get a ton for very very cheap, and its a pretty easy extraction

Unfortunately I cannot do an extraction, so I would be looking to do the 10x caapi leaf like you guys are talking about.

So ordering any kind of caapi leaf will be ok since I will be making it into a more concentrated leaf?

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Thanks,

I found a website that sells 20x caapi extract leaf, a gram for 13 dollars.
Sounds a little overpriced?

Would it be possible to then smoke the caapi extract in a joint to get the inhibition? I do not have any leftover DMT to infuse into the extract as of now, but do have enhanced leaf that I would like to use in conjunction.

You can make it yourself for 10 dollars less. Boil 10g in water onto 1g of leave. done.

Sure you can smoke a J.

you can smoke plain old caapi leaf, but aside from not being very effective, plain leaf burns really hot and is an unpleasant smoke. This doesn't seem to be an issue with 10x or changa. I don't know why.

Thanks guys,

Update: I just purchased a 20x caapi extract infused into DAMANIA leaf. I felt this would be easier to smoke in a J or even vape before loading up a bit of enhanced leaf.

My only question now is how much should I smoke or vaporize to be able to get the MAOI effects to carry over into my vaped DMT session?

Like I said, it's 20x extract.