I'm plan to use Kratom to help ease me off the methadone to avoid withdrawals. It can stay in your body for several days, with the withdrawals starting at about 12-24 hours after the last dose.

I've read that the "Bali" type is potent, more sedating as opposed to stimulating, and short acting, so that's what I'm leaning towards. What do you guys think?

And a few more questions:

-What is the best way to use it for coming off methadone? Do I wait until I'm off of it and in withdrawals or use it as I'm dosing down? (I'm currently at 20mg methadone and going down 5mg every two weeks)

-Should I go with Plain leaf? Enhanced leaf? Extract, or Resin?

-How big of a dose of Kratom should I use?

Any help would be much appreciated, thanks.

Powdered leaf taken mixed in with some yogurt or apple sauce...or just a straight spoonful in the mouth followed by water.

Start low to figure your personal dose. Half a teaspoon, wait 45 mins or so, add more until you get the effects, till you figured out your dosage. Mine is a tablespoon and a half. A toke of weed or two will synergize nicely, give a smooth buzz...one that you don't fiend for.

For me, the weed is essential, but just a little bit. Good luck, stay clean, be well.

Thanks! Are you familiar with the Bali Kratom? Would it be a good choice for me? I will need something short acting and powerful, as my tolerance will be high.

I wish I could use cannabis therapeutically to come down from my methadone, but the clinic I go to does random UA's and checks for THC. If I fail, I would loose my take-home doses so until I'm done with the program, I have to stay clean.

Anyone else have any suggestions for Kratom?

To the OP- the committed boys and girls over at opiophile.org have a section devoted to Kratom; it might be worthwhile checking it out to get a broader overview of the info you need.

Ive no experience of using this for de-tox purposes, but I am wondering if you would need doses for some time to deal with a methadone habit because the methadone is a potent and bloody long-acting opioid.

I dunno what dose of methadone the OP started at, but 5mg dose reductions every 2 weeks could well be quite uncomfortable, especially as you get to the lower doses.I would choose a much more gentle taper personally.

Sincerely, I wish you the best of luck and I sympathise with you for having to undergo drug-tests which limits your options for a less arduous detox.

I've never used it for detoc, but I've had a strain called Strain X aka Green Riau. I used it for back pain after a work injury because I only got a limited number of percocets. But honestly I think the kratom was better than the percs for pain management. This is one of the strongest strains out there so you can buy and use less, thus saving you a little money.

I find bali kratom very hit or miss. Sometimes it is great. And sometimes I can't even get what I want out of 15 grams.

Oh and I bought a capsule filler and enough capsules to last me a lifetime for like $30 and thats how I take mine.
I weigh out 10 grams and pack it all into the 24 capsules the filler holds. Then take 6-12 at a time depending on pain level.

Hope this helps. I feel for you. Too many of my friends back home can't get off and stay off that shit. I know they are going to kill themselves someday and it's so sad. I feel like I can't do anything about it.

I really need to get ahold of some iboga and try to save them.

Thanks, I'll ask around over there.



I started at 20mg, then went up to 45 which I've been at for just under a year. So far I haven't really felt withdrawals besides the occasional "hot flash". I have a healthy diet and load my body with food-based vitamins, antioxidants, and fruits/vegetables everyday so this probably helps a lot.



If it gets too uncomfortable, I will consider sacrificing my take-home doses for other "options". What did you have in mind?



I've read that ingesting them that way is inefficient because the capsules don't all dissolve at the same time. I was just going to "parachute" it or make tea and consume the plant material.

I just went to that site. $20 to become a member? Well, at least it's free to lurk.

I don't know about that. I never noticed a problem. With tea I have to use 2-3 times more kratom to get similar effects. Plus it tastes horrible and makes me nauseous. I've tried everything to make the taste manageable and tried many different "teks" to get my tea to be as strong as just eating powder. Couldn't find anything that worked. So capsules are what works for me.

^^Theres some pretty good lurking to be done there.

Yea no kidding. It does look like a nice site though. Tonnes of info and well organized.

Kratom is good though here not much people will help you about kicking methadone... Have you heard of iboga and kambo ? they both also binds to opiods receptors site and are non addictive.
Of course it needs lots of work, but it is manageable, check also the eboka.info forum for iboga helps or try and get in touch with kambo/iboga practicioner.

Never heard of Kambo, I'll check it out though, thanks.

I've heard that there is a small chance that regular therapeutic doses of iboga can kill you, so for me that's out of the question.