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Is Potassium Hydroxide better than Sodium Hydroxide? Options
 
Buttsack
#1 Posted : 7/8/2011 4:41:24 AM
I've read a couple of people stating that potassium hydroxide is better than sodium hydroxide. Is this the case when it comes to extracting DMT and mescaline?
 
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#2 Posted : 7/8/2011 4:44:51 AM
They both work great.
 
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#3 Posted : 7/8/2011 4:47:33 AM
better in what sense? better is a relative term.
KOH is somewhat more soluble in water, but it is pricier.

there's really no advantage to using KOH vs NaOH in plant extractions.
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SWIMfriend
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#4 Posted : 7/8/2011 5:08:17 AM
I've recently been reading about soap-making. It turns at that KOH makes "better" soap than NaOH, by the maker's estimation.

EDIT: And the moral of the story is...there are LOADS of hobbyist/entrepreneurial soap makers out there, tepezcohuite soap is made, sold, and valued by many people, and...there are lots of soap making supply companies out there that sell lots of nice, "food grade" NaOH and KOH.
 
Buttsack
#5 Posted : 7/8/2011 5:19:03 AM
Just in this thread
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...sts&t=22831&p=2
a few people have said that it's much better than sodium hydroxide.

I was hoping it would give better yields for extractions, maybe raise the ph higher. I guess it's just better because it isn't as caustic. Thanks for the help
 
benzyme
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#6 Posted : 7/8/2011 5:21:59 AM
both are quite caustic. if you get either in your eye, you're fuct.
as far as claims of higher yields...where is the data to support these claims?

a lab macaque used a similar procedure as Heavenly, last year, except he used xylene: he added vinegar to acidify to 4.18 and PC'd his green goop two times for 40 mins, basified to 12.86 with NaOH, extracted with xylene, added dilute sulfuric; fan-assisted evap, dissolved in hot 60:10 acetone:water, put it in the freezer. applied sonocrystallization and crashed out in the freezer (3X), vac filtered, rinsed with acetone then pet ether, redissolved in 60:10 acetone:water, crashed out and vac filtered a final time.

m.p. 184 - 187, tested with a T.H. Unimelt.

following a pH scale that corresponds to the pKa distribution of the microspecies in solution
is the difference between pulling mostly mescaline, and pulling a lot of other crap and risking
oxidation of your product at excessively high pH, doesn't matter which base you choose.
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dg
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#7 Posted : 7/9/2011 2:15:23 AM
made w/lye m.sulphate
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#8 Posted : 7/9/2011 2:55:58 AM
very nice.

the lab simeon is gonna have another go at an SP extraction, using the same ol' same..dilute
acetic, NaOH, xylene, and dilute sulfuric.
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"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
 
 
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