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quantagy
#1 Posted : 3/29/2011 1:57:38 PM

So this is a phenomenon that I frequently (almost always) experience with both psylocibin and DMT, so I imagine many here have as well. This idea that objects/scenarios/messages in the DMT space can be more than one thing at once. For example: a multifaceted, jeweled object is at once a visual manifestation of forgiveness AND opportunity AND a space-travelling vehicle. Another example from my first ayahuasca session: while purging an intergalactic panther (who was receiving my purge, placed a paw on my shoulder and said :"This is good for you, let it out, good job" but his voice was that of my father's and I simultaneously reexperienced a memory of my dad rubbing my shoulder when I was a child and vomitting into a toilet. The message imparted to me, roughly was this: "Here Now and Back then are the same, see?"

I was struck by this idea that the content of an experience, be it a memory, or a vision, or a story, or a "Thing", is really just an illusory decor painted upon what is actually a kind of energy wave, or thread---and that these threads are everywhere and often expressed through an infinite array of "costumes". And in the tryptamine trance, we experience the "pun aspect" of them (something is simultaenously A, and B, and C....

Mckenna talked about this. Here's an excerpt: On DMT, these entities – these machine-like, diminutive, shape-shifting, faceted machine elf type creatures that come bounding out of the state – they come bounding out of my stereo speakers, if I have my eyes open – they are like, you know, they are elfin embodiments of syntactical intent. Somehow syntax, which is normally the invisible architecture behind language, has moved into the foreground. And you can see it! I mean, it’s doing callisthenics and acrobatics in front of you! It’s crawling all over you! And what’s happened is that your categories have been scrambled, or something; and this thing which is normally supposed to be invisible and in the background and an abstraction has come forward and is doing handsprings right in front of you. And the thing makes linguistic objects; it sheds syntactical objectification. So that it comes towards you – they come toward you – they divide, they merge, they’re bounding, they’re screaming, they’re squeaking – and they hold out objects, which they sing into existence, or which they pull out of some other place. And these things are, you know, like jewels and lights, but also like consommé and old farts and yesterday and high speed; in other words, they are made of juxtapositions of qualities that are impossible in three-dimensional space.

What they’re like is – and in fact, this is probably what they are – what they’re like is, they’re like three- and four- and five-dimensional puns. And you know how the pleasure of a pun lies in the fact that it is… it’s not that the meaning flickers from A to B; it’s that it’s simultaneously A and B, and when the pun is really funny it’s an A,B,C,D pun; and it’s simultaneously all these things… well, that quality, which in our experience can only occur to an acoustical output or a glyph which stands for an acoustical output – in other words, a printed pun – in the DMT world, objects can do this. Objects can simultaneously manifest more than one nature at once. And, something like a pun, the result is always funny. It’s amusing! You cannot help but be delighted by this thing doing this thing.


Just curious to hear others experiences/thoughts on this....

Thanks.

"We're all in this together, by ourselves." --Lily Tomlin
 
tobecomeone00
#2 Posted : 3/30/2011 3:30:32 AM
I have experienced this as well! It makes perfect sense, considering consciousness itself can divide itself ever-lasting, sometimes the language of the spirit is different than the language of the tongue..There are certain phrases/statements/visions that are meant to come across, and sometimes the most effective ways are among more than one way of showing you these things...not sure if that makes too much sense, but i know what u mean!
"The search for Truth is the Greatest, if not, most Sensible form of Rebellion."

 
headphoneperson
#3 Posted : 3/30/2011 5:05:13 AM
I have most definitely experienced this with DMT as well as on higher doses of LSD. What has staggered me is the complete dissolution of any boundaries between language (syntax), memory, awareness, time, intention, perception, self, and other, etc. It becomes liquid enough at times to experience sound as vision, or time as language, or now as memory, or self as syntax -- for me this is part of what makes the experience so ineffable.

But then I experience this at some level in my everyday life as well, to the extent that analogy (i.e., 'pun', 'symbol', metaphor) is the currency in which we negotiate our way through life and consciousness. Douglas Hofstadter gives a great account of this in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8m7lFQ3njk

So perhaps it is not so surprising to experience such synesthesia with DMT.

Anyway, nice post quantagy.
~ hpp
 
quantagy
#4 Posted : 3/30/2011 6:06:35 PM
Thanks for the Hofstadter link! I've never heard of him before, so I just ordered one of his books off ebay! Fascinating stuff!
"We're all in this together, by ourselves." --Lily Tomlin
 
ms_manic_minxx
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#5 Posted : 4/2/2011 8:18:03 AM
Perhaps puns are from the fourth dimension.

I savor punishment. Twisted Evil
Some things will come easy, some will be a test
 
 
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