Yuck on all of it.

The RC market went from the grey market to the dollar store: cheap and who knows what you are actually getting...most of it is horrible stuff anyways.

q21 what do you think about mdpv,it seems more similar to meth than coke afaik. swim is inerested to this substance just as a tool that would be good to have at home just couse it could be useful at low dosages. swim was thinking to use it to increase his metabolism a bit for the gym and weight loss,but hewre it could be dangerous for his addictive character? are adictivness correlated to dosage? i mean,if i take 5mg daily,will i have withrawal/tollerance .. just few question,i know this stuff is a razor blade and it could be really devil

The possibilities seem scary...

(when referring to the widely available synthetic tryptamine, I'm aware of 4-aco it's just hard to find)

So the only thing that's still missing is pills that make you fake-sober.

No, I'm sure they're out there too.

Packages marketed as "bath salts" I'd stay far away from.

It's most likely MDPV mixed with other methcathinones, or a combination of them. MDPV doseage starts at about 10mg with no tolerance, but quickly builds. So companies couldn't and won't have pure MDPV sold in stores so that ill-informed folk couldn't overdose very easily. And so "bath salts" are a mixture of potentially toxic materials unknown to you, in ratios that you dont know.



If you're interested in RC stimulants, I suggest you find a source for one of them in a pure form, and research safely. methylone, mephedrone, MDPV, butylone, MDAI, etc etc





I personally don't like uppers other then once or twice a year, so I'm undecided on the issue besides seeing it being sold in stores as causing a ban down the road, and bring UNWANTED attention to the RC world.

SWIM agrees that MDPV and other such "bath salts" have really taken the market for a turn.... in the wrong direction.

The only good outcome SWIM can see from all these "legal-so-must-be-safe-droogz" is that the government will hopefully see the stupidity of the situation and de-crim or work toward de-criming certain "safer" drugs. (such as lsd, mushrooms, etc)

ElusiveMind

definately better to have a strong cup of coffee or some nice yerba maté. It's an Research Chemical and should be treated as such, not for giving you a boost for a workout!

SWIM's experience with addicting substances like MDMA, nitrous, alcohol and cannabis are all not-enjoyable and thus not prone to addiction so his take on MDPV is a poor poor reference for others.

ok thanks for the advice, i love yerba mate!

Don´t be lazy man, if you wanna lose weight usea proper diet, trying to use this as a weight loss drug will not end well

This thread is simply too far off from the point of the nexus.

Have to shut this thread down.