man i'm thankful to be alive.
that was the stupidest thing i've ever done, though to be fair, i had no way of knowing what would happen.
MDAI, for those who don't know, is a selective serotonin releaser with mild empathogenic effects.
MDMA releases both dopamine and serotonin, (which accounts for a stronger, more blissed-out experience) and because of that, is associated with neurotoxicity.
apparently, substances that only release serotonin (without releases dopamine) do not cause the neurotoxicity that MDMA is so famous for.
the way this expresses itself in real life is that MDAI is only a subtly enjoyable experience on it's own, though no toxic effects are felt.
on it's own MDAI is possibly one of the most benign molecules i've ever tried.
there is a mild hangover, but it expresses itself as a drained serotonin experience (more emotionally unstable, feeling rather drab for no reason) rather than a body-aching toxic hangover.
aco-dipt, is also, one it's own, one of the most benign feeling molecules i've ever tried, either natural or synthetic.

after having an uncomfortable heart rate on 2c-e a while back i started checking my pulse while tripping on different medicines to see how my body reacts to them and which ones are the most benign, in that regard.
my normal BPM (beats per minute) is 65. 2c-b and aco-dipt only get my heart up to like 85 or so. that uncomfortable 2c-e trip i mentioned was 110. that's the most i've ever felt my heart race and it was already very unnerving at 110.

when i combined MDAI with aco-dipt i started realizing that someone was very wrong at about the 45 point...i started getting very concerned and serious. intuitively the phrase "serotonin syndrome" flashed through my mind.
i wasn't sure, but it started to definitely feel like it.

upon researching later i found this line that made me feel like such a dumb-ass, "combining serotonin receptor drugs (tryptamines) with serotonin releaser drugs (MDAI) can trigger a serious and potentially life-threatening serotonin syndrome..."
this line, among others, made me see with such clarity that the reaction i had was not due to either aco-dipt OR mdai alone but a combination of the two.....especially since i've taken each of them separate a few times with zero negative reactions.

about an hour after dosing (18 mgs aco-dipt with 80 mgs MDAI) something is seriously wrong and i know it.
my girlfriend asks if i'm okay and i have to admit that i don't think i am and that i need help or a miracle.
my heart rate at this point is beating soooo fast. faster than i've ever even known a heart could beat and not explode.
my blood pressure at this point is pumping so uncomfortably hard too....i could actually see my heart jumping out of my chest and could see the blood flowing through my skin when i looked at veins in my neck or arm.
i'm tripping too hard at this point to check my pulse for a minute so i check it for 20 seconds and then do the math.
oh shiiiiiit. i'm at around 140 to 150 BPM!!!
immediately i see everything i've ever done wrong to get to this point.
all my stupid psychedelic restlessness causing me to dose all these wacky combos in wacky amounts.
all the striving and searching for experiences that just inevitably fade and i'm left chasing after colored lights like some sort of astral junky.
is it worth death?? they sure saved my life when i was younger but what are they REALLY doing for me now??
is there really a justification for continuing to put myself in the "line of fire??"
like Allan Watts said, "when you get the message, hang up the phone."
sometimes i feel like i'm just restlessly chasing after a bliss that i know won't come from the UPS and DOWNS of any drug experience.

anyway, i look to God and say, "I GET IT. I TOTALLY GET IT. if this is a karmic lesson to be learned than i GET IT. there is no need to make me go through death to see my error." just looking at my heart rate for 1 second made me totally understand the importance of life.
i couldn't live with my soul knowing that i'd left my girlfriend and friends behind on this earth plane because of some stupid mistake i'd made.
suddenly i saw all my justifications, "oh they're just psychedelics! they're not harmful or anything."
but that reasoning can easily slip over into dosing synthetic psychedelics too...and hey, even synthetic psychedelic combos!!
our bodies are more fragile than we think and these medicines are too powerful to thrown blanket statements at.
so i have identified my life with some sort of agenda to prove by saying psychedelics are medicines and here i am possibly dying the same way a heroin addict dies. what do i know about the mind or anything?!?! NOTHING!!
we don't even know what happens when we take drugs but we think, "awww no biggie....i got it under control."

i tell my girlfriend, "this is out of my control. i need help. call 911 and ask if there are ways to buffer a serotonin syndrome crisis."
the ambulance arrives in just 5 minutes and they start bombarding me with questions. i am tripping quite strongly but am sober enough to participate with them in an intelligent manner. they ask what i took. not wanting to confuse them with unnecessary trivia that they would know nothing about, and also not wanting aco-dipt to go into their books, i say, "i took mushrooms and MDAI."
they don't know what MDAI is so i say, "it's action is as a potent serotonin releaser, similar to antidepressants or something like that. i don't feel toxic effects from the drugs as much as i just feel a heart-rate crisis from the combo that i want to be sure is not escalating."
they take my heart rate and blood pressure and agree that it's too high for me to be left alone.
still sober-headed enough to not want to pay 4,000 dollars for this hospital visit if i survive, i ask, "can my girlfriend drive me to the ER?"
they say, "if you go with her, we can't monitor you, and that seems too dangerous at this point." i understood. i thanked all the paramedics for helping me and collapsed onto the stretcher.

at this point it was an hour and a half after dosing so i was starting to get more confident about my survival thinking, "surely i could've died by now if the drugs wanted me to." i tell my girlfriend, "i think i'm gonna make it...they will take care of me."
i don't say that with much confidence but i'm not feeling 100% doomed anymore.
it feels very good to be vulnerable when you're in a professional's hands.
they certainly have no idea how to talk to or comfort people who are tripping, but HEY, at least they know how to look after my vital signs!!!

the drive over to the hospital was sort of blurry...i wasn't losing consciousness but i was tripping so hard at this point that the whole world just turned to psychedelic soup. i couldn't tell the difference between the paramedic talking to me or talking to someone else or the sirens blaring.
it all just merged into multicolored hyper crisis on all levels.

once i was on the hospital bed there came another burst of activity with them hooking me up to their machines and questioning me again.
"what did you take?" "are you dizzy?" "are you nauseous?" "where did you get these mushrooms from?"
i tried to explain the best i could that i don't think i'm reacting from the mushrooms i think i'm experiencing serotonin syndrome from the release of serotonin from the MDAI.
they agree that i probably am, but they still want to assess the situation on all levels.
after a minute everyone vanished and i'm just left alone for about 10 minutes.
then a doctor comes in and says, "so what can we do for you?"
"well, i don't really know. the only reason i called is because my heart rate felt too high. if my heart is okay then i'm not really worried about anything else...i know i didn't overdose in the sense of toxicity."
the doctor says, "well we need to run some blood samples to be sure and we'll also want to do a urine sample to check for liver poisoning."
i'm starting to get my wits about me and i recognize that he's just trying to get me to pay for more services.
my whole interactions with all the doctors that night were colored with only one thing, "GIVE US MORE MONEY!!"
i said, "what are the blood tests for? what are the urine samples for? i want to understand why you doing them is necessary for my heart rate to not climb."
"well you did take mushrooms so their could be liver poisoning."
"i'm not worried about liver poisoning."
he pauses for a minute and says, "look we have to do blood tests. do you approve?"
at this point i'm like, "NO I DON'T APPROVE."
i could feel irritation in his voice as he said, "FINE, will you at least allow us to run a saline solution through your blood to lower blood pressure?"
"absolutely, thank you," i said with a sweet smile. now THAT sounds like it could actually help me!!
all those other things seemed beside the point.

so now they are leaving me alone for like 15-20 minutes at a time before coming into my room just to try to get me to do more tests!!
i'm still thinking i could die at this point so i'm kinda translating their absence with fear.
then all of a sudden it hit me: the reason why they are not in here is because there is NOTHING WRONG WITH ME ANYMORE!!!!!!
the only reason they would leave my side is because they can see that my heart rate, blood pressure, and breathing are normalizing and not sporadic.
shortly after that realization i felt "the crisis" stop in my body.
i distinctly felt, at about the 2 hour point, my body "turn down a notch" and become calmer.
THAT'S ALL I WAS LOOKING FOR!!!!!!!! I'M GONNA MAKE IT! I KNOW I AM!!!!
with my newly found confidence i had a huge smile as the doctor came in again.
at this point it was kinda fun just tripping in a hospital bed...i'm glad i wasn't on acid though, i'll tell you that!
he started saying, "look we're worried that you might die, we need to do tests."
i asked, "what is my heart rate like now?"
he said, "well sometimes i gets down to 108 and fluctuates up to about 115."
"so it's going down then?!?!?!?!"
"well yes, it's going down, but there still could be problems."
at this point i'm just ecstatic to be alive and don't care what he's saying to me about whatever else he thinks is wrong with me.
intuitively i feel like my heart rate crisis was the only matter that needed to be solved here.
so i said, "i want to be released."
he said, "you want to be released even though you could die??"
i said, "i feel fine, my body feels fine, everything is stabilizing, i just need to come down now."
interesting to see how much he tried to instill fear in me about my condition.
maybe he was just doing his job, but there were certain things he said to me that just plain sounded like he was trying to induce fear.
i felt blessed to be one of the few people who goes into a hospital with a questioning mind instead of the usual surrender when most people just hand their lives over unquestioningly to the "medical authorities."
now don't get me wrong, if i felt like something was wrong i would've done what they said. but my body didn't feel like anything else was wrong after my heart went down.
in fact i didn't even suffer a hangover from the experience (besides a drained serotonin feeling).
no headache. no body ache. no tiredness.
my heart felt a little sore but that was understandable.

this was definitely the most traumatic thing i've ever experienced and i actually felt flashback-type experiences coming back to me in meditation the next couple days. i just looked at all the sadness head-on and said, "i accept what happened and will never let it happen again. there is no need to feel guilt or shame."
after crying a little bit i felt a lot better.
and my serotonin levels are back to normal again. (like they always are after 2 days.)

so i set some rules for myself that i'm more than happy to keep:
rule 1) NO DRUG COMBOS ANYMORE......that's an easy one.
rule 2) NO MORE NEW DRUGS.....fine, i've already got plenty of good ones.
rule 3) NO MORE COMPULSIVELY TRIPPING FOR THE HELL OF IT....that one might be harder to follow but as long as i follow rules 1 and 2 first than tripping compulsively will never result in hyper-crisis!!
rule 4) NO TRIPPING FOR AT LEAST A MONTH....this is just to give myself some breathing room to integrate what happened this weekend. to be honest i don't even really want to trip for a long time. i want to get my head on straight and learn to appreciate being here, in this earth plane without compulsively seeking escape or release.

please be careful friends. there was no way to predict that this would've happened from trying the drugs separately.
don't try combos that people have never tried before!!!! and even try to stay away from those! why risk it?
it's just not worth it, and you'll know that the moment you look a 150 BPM heart-rate in the face!!!

peace, love, and gratitude to you nexus friends. i'm happy to report that i'm still kickin' and you didn't lose me!!

Damn Dragon, that sounds like a serious kick in the arse. Good for you for surviving and also for being rational and strong willed in that hospital situation. I really despise our cultures mainstream attitude towards health, sickness, and "care". Did you think the doctor "cared" for you?

anyways, I always liked your reports. Even if you don't write any more I'm glad your still around

Really really glad to hear you're okay man. The world isn't ready to lose you.
I must say it sounded like you handled your self excellently in the hospital given the circumstances.
If nothing else proved that people who use psychedelics aren't a bunch of burnt out wasters.

"combining serotonin receptor drugs (tryptamines) with serotonin releaser drugs (MDAI) can trigger a serious and potentially life-threatening serotonin syndrome..."
I also never knew a combination like that could cause serotonin crisis. More information on this type of combination should be spread I think.
So could MDMA and mushrooms cause this? Or it has to specifically effect serotonin only like MDAI? If so what are some other drugs that are serotonin releasers that should not be combined with tryptamines?
If I still had any MDAI left I probably would have unknowingly combined it with a tryptamine.

It sounds to me that you're doing the right thing by putting psychedelics on pause and continuing to meditate ect.
Thanks for sharing your experience in detail. I hope it helps someone.

I have also used MDMA with mushrooms on 2 occasions, and once with MDMA LSD and mushrooms..I know many others who have as well without difficulty. I am not experienced much with MDMA though so my dose was always low.

Really I am sort of not into all these new RC's because I just dont trust them..the effects or the source/purity. I have stayed away from 2c's for these reasons, and only taken both LSD and MDMA 3-4 times..for me I am sort of just moving toward a much deeper relationship with especially ayahuasca and DMT, and continuing to work periodically with mushrooms and cacti..I trust them and know that as far out there as I get, I am always okay. Ive been convinced I was dying before with ayahuasca and mushrooms, but I know now that I am always fine with them. I still want to work with 5meo eventaully and Iboga, which I am somewhat weary about. I am interested in 2c's and 5meo DiPT and a few othes but I dunno if it is really worth risking it with purity issues etc, I feel like I could spend a lifetime with just ayahuasca and still have more to learn.

Glad to hear you are okay and thanks for the heads up so that noone else has to go through that!

Am very glad to hear you're ok man. I have sworn off all these newer RC's after a few revolting experiences over the summer. My way of looking at is that you get offered thousands of pounds/dollars to test new drugs in clinical trials, so why the hell should I pay for the privilege of being a human guinea pig? No thanks, it just ain't worth it. Oh and liked the way you handled yourself in the hospital with the doctor.

Personally I have combined LSD/mushrooms and MDMA several times and never encountered any hint of combined toxicity, do maybe the MDAI is acting differently. I've encountered a convincing argument that taking any dopamine stimulating drugs along with the MDAI does create a risk of neurotoxicity, but I guess that's a whole different argument.

thanks for the love everyone. i knew somewhere inside myself that it wasn't my time to leave but i also knew i had to take the lesson to heart or else i'd be spitting in the face of whatever force got me through that episode.
i've thought the same things as you, psilochild.

in actuality it doesn't seem like MDMA ever causes these reactions with other psychedelics. i, too have tried half doses of MDMA simultaneously with half doses of 2c-b and never felt anything strange or unnerving.
but i just searched for a few seconds and found many-a case about people experiencing serotonin syndrome-like things for just taking MDMA alone. obviously, mixing it with other drugs that occupy the serotonin sites is just complicating matters. just because me and 1,000 other people experienced nothing overtly harmful or unpleasant doesn't make the possibly non-existent.
it also could just be MDAI's action specifically. i don't know or care to find out though....i promptly threw all my MDAI away, feeling intuitively that MDAI was the main culprit in the episode.....without MDAI, after all, i was just on another psychedelic....nothing to call the paramedics about!
of course i don't know how it works but i had this picture in my mind of all the serotonin receptor sites taken up by aco-dipt molecules and then, BOOM, the serotonin floodgates open and all their docking sites are taken up.
so now all they can do is swim around the brain and cause hypertension and other trauma.
if this were the case then MDMA should probably cause that too....at least in SOME situations.
but i think MDMA is more balanced in it's release than MDAI, which seems to just spill ALLLLLL the serotonin.
apparently serotonin-only releasers are usually antidepressant compounds, not euphoric drugs so i don't think most people would be jumping to combine them with tryptamines.
i had a crisis like this about 4 years ago too, and it led me to not trip on anything for 3 years it was so scary.
i combined a full dose of rue with a whopping overdose of bridgesii.
i felt very similar "serotonin syndrome" things happening along with mind-bashing psychedelia for about 12 hours straight.
if i wasn't so scared and confused i know i should've gone to the hospital that day too.
my point in saying that is that people everywhere acknowledge that rue plus cactus is safe....heck some cacti even have MAOI's in them....but does that still make it safe??? do we really know what we're doing??? it didn't feel okay for me to combine that dosage.
what happened to my body was not okay that day with rue. and i'm positive that ADDING to the MAOI's already present in bridgesii didn't help my situation one bit. i had taken mescaline with rue without any problems 10 times before that and then it all came crashing down that one day.
be careful everyone. it only takes one mistake to lose everything. even if it seems like you know what you're doing.
if i had to bet, i would say that MDMA plus mushrooms wouldn't cause this, but i'll never put myself there again for obvious reasons.
i think what happened to me could have something to with aco-dipt's synthetic nature also.
it's definitely a little more pushy and speedy in the body than it's natural brothers.
i don't think that aspect of aco-dipt "helped" my heart rate any!
everyone please do your research on serotonin syndrome. apparently a lot of people experience it from switching doses and stuff with their antidepressant medications. any shifting of serotonin in the brain can turn sour if it's not done with care.
even if you don't die, you'll likely have one of the most uncomfortable trips you can imagine.
thanks for letting me rant....i'm aware that anyone would write with this much insistence coming out of that experience!!
it's always easy to be cautious when the walls just came crashing down!!

Sounds harrowing. I'm glad you're ok. Smart move telling the paramedics it was mushrooms. And good on you for handling the doctor the way you did.

Are you sure it wasn't a panic attack you were having? It sounds like you have researched serotonin syndrome a bit, had a bad experience in the past, and maybe are very anxious about doing that to yourself. Raised bp and a sharp come up with an unfamiliar combo could be enough to set up a positive feedback loop of mental and physical panic.

Not to deny the seriousness of this, but is it a possibility?

I haven't had to go through an experience like this one, but I have sworn off all RC stimulants. Those that release seotonin or dopamine or both. Psychedelics are much, much more interesting for me. I've only ever done a handful of psychedelic RC's, but have never had any really horrible experiences. 4-aco-dmt and some of the 2c's, no problem. Mephedrone, methylone, MDAI, and the worst one MDPV, I will never touch those or any like those again. They can be very nasty substances if misused, or in the case of this thread, combined with another substance that can potentially cause damage or even fatality.

Glad you made it through such a harrowing experience. Anyone who chooses to dose on some of these new and untested substances please be as safe as possible! Start on the lower end of the dosage and don't combine anything!

holy shit bro!!! glad your ok.

So glad to hear you are okay!! Incredible strength you had to know when to call, to hold a conversation, and to not surrender to all the other sensations to decline unnecessary tests.

Thank you so much for sharing... a powerful reminder.

Again, glad you are with us.

it most certainly is a possibility, and you're not wrong to bring it up, but to be honest i don't think so.
for one, it wasn't a very harrowing mental experience so i had no panic energy from the mental effects...i was quite calm through the whole episode, even when vulturous thoughts of death circled above.
also, i had all but forgotten about that rue + bridgesii trip since it happened 4 years ago.
and most of my serotonin research was actually conducted THAT night as i came home from the hospital.
in fact, i've had quite a bit of confidence lately about psychedelic combos since i've done so many new ones in the past couple months.
also, i've tripped on far worse doses of far worse medicines in far worse settings and never have i felt my heart rate do that.
none of this proves that it wasn't a panic attack but intuitively i feel that it has more to do with brain chemistry (and synthetic energy) rather than emotional energy.
and ya know, now that i think of it, i've never felt so safe and secure as when the lady paramedic was monitering my vital signs...i felt like i was so safe and relaxed....but still my heart just wouldn't come down.
i have definitely had mild panic attacks on too much acid or ayahuasca but nothing out of the ordinary from tripping WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too hard, and no amount of emotional reaction i've ever had made my heart feel like that.
perhaps now i'd be a little startled and could possibly get paranoid since it just happened but at the time i hadn't a care in the world about it.
i think that's why a part of me doesn't want to trip for a while. i don't want to experience exaggerated flashbacks of it.
i want to come back when i'm ready, confident, and fully integrated and start taking small doses of cactus to reintroduce my mind softly and with care.
lots and lots of love to you all!!

this should pretty much be the law when it comes to experimenting as far as i'm concerned.
at this point in history we don't know enough about the brain to play with 'em.
an exception could probably be mixing pure (i.e. non serotonin releasing) psychedelics. like acid with 2c-b.
but still, the low dose rule must always apply at first!!

What happened when you ate bridgesii with rue?

hi dragon, thanks for your post.. It was interesting reading, especially as they are both supposedly relatively benign substances and I am familiar with researchers who have done similar combination's in even larger doses. I was very impressed with how you handled the whole situation, I think you probably did all the right things, though it was slightly shocking to read your interactions with the medical authorities, I totally agree with your approach to this, unfortunately the whole field has become so standardized, I no longer trust the opinion of any medical authorities without evidence because 9/10 they will handle the situation incorrectly... I'm not blaming the medical professionals, because it's really a failed system altogether, you got people taking research chemicals because more well understood compounds are illegal and you've got doctors who know nothing about the effects of these chemicals... but you've also got overcrowded hospitals and too many sick people, need I go on... anyways, I wanted to ask about the quality of the substances you injested, were you sure they were pure MDAI+aco-dipt because I know for example that there is loads of cut MDAI going around, stimulants being a popular cut... still I don't doubt this effect was possible, swim has experienced serotonin syndrome from just too much mescaline, but I also recall an evening where 2 friends had similar symptoms from combining loads of methylone (disgusting drug stay away from it) with just 200mg mescaline..

It's like some kind of exponential potentiation and it doesn't always happen, there were others there that night that had a great time... probably has more to do with your diet, your levels at the time, the amount of sleep you had, etc... it's really a risky business, but I will say that similar things happen with non-RC's all the time, and I think some RCs have already well established safety profiles where the risk/reward ratio is acceptable, you've just got to be prepared for disasters when you enter new territory, at least posts like this help with safety so I appreciate that. Thanks for writing.

the aco-dipt feels about as pure as it can get. zero residual effects or "warbly" side effects (besides a slightly strange jello-leg come up!!!!).
further evidence for the purity of the aco-dipt lies in the fact that i've smoked cannabis on it every time i've done it, and cannabis ALWAYS seems to heighten any drug exponentially that i've done, and it's always felt buttery smooth, lacking any "grainy" or "murky" mental effects.
now that you remind me, the first time i took MDAI it wasn't very strong so i smoked some cannabis with it and got a VERY jangly uncomfortable strange feeling from doing it. i attributed it at the time to weed-paranoia, but looking back i could easily see a heightening of unwanted compounds "coming to the surface" from the Mary J. Magnifying Glass. my aco-dipt is bright shiny white too!
besides subjective effects, my MDAI was most certainly not pure. it's brown, whereas pure MDAI is a white powder.
i'm ashamed to admit that the website did say only 93% pure MDAI and i still wanted to try it for some crazy reason.
so yes, i must admit that "serotonin syndrome" could possibly be the wrong word for what was going on.
but also, as you say, this potential is still possible with even pure MDAI simply because of the serotonin release mixed with other psychoactives.
i have taken this MDAI twice before in 150-180 mg. dosage ranges and experienced nothing even close to stimulation.
but that could also be because the stimulant dosages would be so relatively low as to only be experienced when other drugs are added to it.
so then you combine small amounts of impurities with other drugs and it's like, BOOM!!, all the drugs present get multiplied and even insignificant amounts of impurities come to the surface. ya know that sounds very plausable.
especially since i didn't have ALL the symptoms of serotonin syndrome. i didn't have nausea, or any other discomfort whatsoever besides my heart rate and blood pressure. the doctors said, "are you experiencing any pain??"
i'm like, "no, no, i'm comfortable with everything besides my heart rate!"
i have also experienced a frighteningly uncomfortable body load from like 1 to 1.5 grams (!!!) of mescaline (plus other pedro alkaloids) before so i think anything you "over-do" can potentially have a similar body-jarring that's obviously not pleasant or in your best interest to experience, health-wise.
it's probably a little bit of "all-of-the-above" really. too many different drugs, too much synergy, too much serotonin. TOO MUCH!!
that's sure what it felt like.....
thanks for the insight, i feel like you've answered an uncertainty of mine surrounding the experience.
and your insight verifies my intuition that the MDAI was the problem, not the aco-dipt.

well besides it just being WAY too strong of a dose, there were very disconcerting body effects alongside the mental hurricane.
that was probably the only experience i've ever had where i was having true hallucinations!!
a friend of mine comes into the room and says, "hey dragon, remember when i was having a hard time on cactus?? i thought i might die too and i turned out okay. i think you're fine."
as he's saying this i'm looking at him and the whole entire background of my room changes into a mirage-like replica of a steaming hot desert (complete with a setting sun on the horizon) and his whole being completely turns into some different human and he starts levitating!!!!
i start to hear this whistle in my ears like the sound of water boiling in a steam kettle and it was like my body was MAXED OUT and my poor brain was frying like a greasy sausage!
yeah NO SHIT!!! i don't get it either.
because of the utter non-comprehension of earthly realities i really thought i was crossing-over in a very tangible way, not just psychic-ly.
the body effects were the most unpleasant thing i've ever experienced.
jaw clenching to the point where i literally felt like all my teeth were shattering and falling out of my skull.
such an incredibly deep pain in my spine from the kundalini energy that all i could do was convulse on the ground crying for it to stop.
heart-rate was just maxed-out. blood pressure maxed out.
the only phrase that kept going through my mind was "hyper-crisis."
and the rue (added MAOIs) made the most intense part of the experience last 12 hours straight!!!! no exaggeration.
i could've handled it for a couple hours, sure, but by the 8th hour i was literally just whimpering.
"why isn't this stopping?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"
it taxed me to the very end of my being. that was, hands down the most heroic thing i've ever made it through....this last aco-dipt/MDAI trip was certainly scarier as far as heart-rate was concerned but nothing else was unpleasant about it so it was way more tolerable and i didn't feel any pain from too much energy surging through me.
that and the MDAI only lasted for 1 1/2 to 2 hours so it wasn't an eternal, time-stopping marathon of ego death like the rue + bridgesii.
i actually tried bridgesii one more time at 12 dried grams just to see if excluding the rue would change the experience a lot.
i had pretty much the same body jarring (though far less intense of course) without the corresponding hallucinatory intensity. i was like, "DAMN i'm leaving bridgesii the HELL alone."
for a reference point...the original rue + bridgesii trip i ate 16 grams of dried cactus.
rue always triples cactus for me so we are looking at about a 45-50 gram intensity when 12 grams was already a whopping overdose.
my poor body.....
i wrote in my notes that if i ever try bridgesii again i wanna try ONE gram just to see why the hell i keep overdosing on even "small" amounts of powder!!! i stick to torch now...but hey, some people swear by bridgesii....

I have had similar effects from Bridgesii when mixed with too much cacao.
Bridgesii seems like something that should be taken solo.