I had planned to take an ayahuasca trip yesterday. However, just before my trip, I didn't feel 100%. Nothing really bad, I just didn't feel the best so I decided not to take any vines or molecules. Two hours later, I was hurling and the world was spinning as I was experiencing the worst flu of my life. If I had taken ayahuasca, I probably would have assumed it was the ayahuasca that was making me sick, and it would have been the worst trip ever!!! And I probably would go a very long time without touching huasca. I can't even imagine how bad that trip would have been. Good thing I didn't take anything. So, just saying to people, make sure you feel right about taking a journey.

Good for you. Listen to the body - it speaks in tongues, but the tongues lap high, and deep. I hope you are feeling better Apoc.

JBArk

hear hear!!! neat...i was just chatting with someone in the nexus last night about feeling "off" before you dose meaning you shouldn't. any hesitation, any doubt, any fear, any worry...best dealt with before you dive into your head...

I dunno, DMT has showered me with love that the universe contains when I've felt pretty shitty. It's a decent anti depressant imho.

I actually dont agree that fear and worry are a sign you shouldnt journey..sickness is another thing though..and even then I have drank when sick and felt better after.. Sometimes I feel like you would have to be partially insane to not have some apprehension going into a high dose experience.

I have had fear and worry before going into some experiences taking heavy doses of mushrooms and ended up having some of the most healing experiences ever.

In the west we tend towards the opinion these things should only be used once everything else is perfectly fine..but thats not always the case within a shamanic modality. The times I am feeling the worst are usually when I need the medicine the most.

i completely get what you mean fractal! you are correct. there are times when i feel like something is "bothering me" and can't figure out what it is...that's when i know i NEED to dose. obviously my sober mind can't figure it out. but...if i'm am having doubts and can directly trace out why i'm doubting, IME, it's best to deal with it sober, because it's usally a conscious problem that doesn't require a dredging up of repressed thoughts.

i've found that if i can deal with it sober, there's no need to use psychedelics as a crutch (not syaing that's what they are but i believe quite a few of the things we learn from the trip, we could learn without the trip but it makes it so much easier). i don't want my conscious mind to become lazy and get to where i need to trip to solve issues. plus, if i'm having deeper issues that i need to dose for, it is something i acutally plan to trip for. i usually don't get the "whoa...there's something that just popped up in my subconscious" right before i dose, so if i get the jitters before dosing, it's USUALLY because of some other issue i can usually hunt down sober and handle, and then dose in the next day or two.

i've had had the "i really shouldn't dose right now" thought and still did twice: both times were a nightmare. paranoia. again, fractal, i'm mostly experienced with lsd. i keep saying that just cuz i want everyone who reads and hasn't read elsewhere to know that i'm actutally experienced with, since it's not spice (the main focal of this forum).

but i will say that i've yet to have a trip (good or bad) that has had a lasting negative effect on my life! i've flipped my switch a couple times. lost my mind. scared the shit outta myself but everytime i've had one of these "bad trips", on the other side was me with a cleaner soul. know what i mean? i couldn't imagine coming down with the flu in the midst of a trip...especially aya (never done it but from reading i can tell that would be hell). i'm at home with flu today, apoc. i hate being sick...

Hi,

I don't have a decent experience with aya. Just pharma few times a year. So I'm not giving advices, just telling how I treat psychedelics. I don't do stimulants at all, I don't do strong opiates or alcohol (didn't drink a shot for like 10 years now, I never liked spirits anyway.) So psychedelics and deliriants is all I have. I don't smoke weed either.

I do my extractions, pack the capsules. Later if I want to have fun I start with threashold dose of stuff. Usually when drug start to work I have a pretty solid idea if I want to go further or not. If I'm happy I'll just eat more, if not I leave it to wear off or kill it if possible. Many times I looked forward, planed the trip and then just before I get to eat the capsules, drink a extract something changed my mindset (felt sick) and I got worried to pursue full on dose. But small dose I could do. Usually I end up tripping on strong comfortably. I know it's not possible to go this way every time, but I don't like to take a leap of faith. I'm not teenager any more. I'm not proud of it, but I almost died twice in my teens by overdose (coma,paramedics saving my pathetic life and stuff). I never forget my friend, who being on bad trip (strong blotters) had to deal with his parents. He was 'hidden' under the carpet in middle of living room when they came home. Till today I think he never recovered from those experiences. He developed a manic-depressive psychosis (doctors claim because his extensive various drug use) and spent a time in ward, not once.

Anyway, I'm sure it's nothing new. I just wanted to write something. I'm sorry if I went of the topic a bit



Regards.