Hi Nexians,

I have what I am hoping is a massive source of Phalaris. Since I have recently discovered that ordering plant matter online is not as safe as I thought it was, I am looking for a more sustainable solution.

I have done a fair amount of research on Phalaris, but I am quite simply not sure. I am hoping someone here can help me identify Phalaris. This particular specimin is found growing next to a water source, pretty much out of the water.


Peace and plenty of gratitude,

GM.

I have managed to identify this as Phragmites australis.

The search continues.

I quick Google search has brought me back to The Nexus - with a link to a Tek for extracting from Phragmites australis. I could not be more stoked, as there are literally miles of this reed plant within walking distance.

Now, can anyone tell me which part of the plant is most effective for extracting? Rhizomes, flowers, stem, leaves?

Yes, that's Phragmites australis! The leaves have the highest amount of alkaloids. Stems, flowers and rhizomes are basically useless. Young leaves have even higher content, especially after two trimmings. Take note that it is likely to contain 5-MeO-DMT, bufotenin or gramine, or a combination of these, in addition to DMT.

I am afraid the current teks available for these grasses make them useless for obtaining pure DMT. You will need to separate the alkaloids, which I am afraid it doesn't exist any good kitchen tek to do. Please keep us updated on any progress though, as I and some others are currently working a lot on this topic!

Also, as you posted this in the nursery, I have moved it to a more appropriate forum. The nursery is intended for people that have yet to become full members, but you are a full member. Please post in the correct forum next time.

Yeah evening glory is right, there seems to be no tried and true way for this yet.

Here's what I would do if I wanted to test an extraction with this or other phalaris plant: A/B, extract with limo/xylene, salt with FASI/FASA (reasoning behind this, to the fumarates precipitation should separate alkaloids from most inactive plant junk/chlorophyll). Then freebase the fumarates in either of these ways, maybe making side-by-side the type 1 or 2 with type 3 (type 3 would probably yield bufotenine while type 1 and 2 should leave most bufotenine out of the crystalized results in the water, since bufotenine is too polar and might be reasonably water soluble in dilute basic solution. Then I with the final result, I would recrystalize the final result with hexane/heptane/naphtha at least a couple of times, which should get rid of gramine and bufotenine based on their (in)solubilities in petroleum ether. I dont know about 5-meo-dmt solubility, that would be a question mark...

So considering one has any results after all this process, I would bioassay it starting VERY low, like 5mg, and see what effects there is, and slowly raise... And tell everybody in the nexus the results

Mind you, this is all purely theoretical, but I think the reasoning makes sense and if I had no other options to extract from and/or wanted to help the community raise the knowledge with these plants, thats what I would probably do

Be careful, and good luck!

yes people.. keep pushing forward with the grass teks. I've found a source not far from where I stay that stretches for miles and miles around

Thanks for the reply. It's good news that the leaves are to be used. I would not want to be seen digging up roots, but I can easily get away with trimming a few leaves. I understand the alkaloid levels are much lower in Phragmites. What kind of alkaloid percentages are we talking about?

Is the mixed alkaloid scenario variable? Is n,n,dmt the main alkaloid? I have read that there is not much conclusive information on gramine. It would be nice to know that there is a ticket to hyperspace just around the corner.

Do you know of anyone who has had success withe Phragmites? It seems it's worth the effort, at least.

I'm sure I read a tek a while ago and it was basically the same as MHRB extractions. There was a defatting step added before basifying and a freeze and thaw step, but appart from that it seemed straight forward.

lettuce know how you get on man.

Alks are found in the rhizome and possibly flower of Phragmites. Never heard of any in the leaves. Rhizomes are apparently available, at low cost, from Chinese herbalists under the name Lu Gen. There are a few reports dotted in the older parts of the forum. Digging out the rhizomes is no easy task.