One of the reasons drugs affect so many people differently is because of diet. There are many drugs present in the food we eat. Many spices in particular contain quite a bit of active drugs. We normally eat spices in moderation, but even in such small amounts they do impact you.

If you suddenly went from eating 100% Chinese food to 100% Indian food, you’ll notice that you feel different. Some people will say that they don’t feel satisfied, others will say they feel more satisfied. This is because of a sudden change in your daily diet, which also includes dozens of drugs found naturally in the foods you were eating.

Even jalapenos are drugs. I read that they are used as an antidote to Datura poisoning. They are also used to alleviate pain by some runners. They can be used to unclog your sinuses as well, and can also help ease certain kinds of headaches.

Small amounts of drugs are in pretty much everything we eat.

I love spicy food, so I imagine I get a healthy dose of drugs everyday just from the food I eat.

Nutmeg is said to have MAOI activity. A lot of spices contain MAOI compounds. Maybe a curry mix is actually MORE potent then turmeric is on its own?

There’s a nutmeg mix, I forget the name, but it includes things like black pepper and other common spices, and it is said to be a much stronger psychedelic than pure nutmeg is. It’s got a dozen or so spices in it most of which are not very active on their own, but very active when mixed together, sort of like ayahuasca

Im loving this thread, Ive just started cooking with tumeric, got a fat smile on my face here from 69rons post above. Nice.

I second that. What 69ron mentions is one of the biggest reasons I wanted to go into biochemistry. Even watermelons and grapefruits contain actives.

Thanks for this great tek q21q21 ,this is another source of Maoi i know of and this one is in no way toxic.


Just did the tek and after evaporation of the acetone ,the final result was a very gooey red tar which did not dissolve in oil,
so i had to put it in my magic bullet and even after grinding it to the max with the oil, it did not dissolve ,just got into smaller particles.

total of oil was 30 ml ,

T.00. took 5ml sublingually
T.15. spat out oil
T.25. definitely feeling it (feeling kind of mentally drunk)
T.35. eyes are semi closed , like if im in a dreamy state.
T.-- its been now 1 hour and im still high from it.

Really nice tek ,so simple to make and no toxins to clean unlike Rue or Caapi.
only thing i wonder is , would it be possible to use HEET instead of Acetone ?
Since HEET is dirt cheap ,10$/gallon and acetone is 30$/gallon in canada.

funny you posted that, SWIM just made a new batch and took it for the first time since february.

Reason is: curcumin is subject to photo-degredation and his spoiled, the 2 friends that did the test w/ cannabis tried it again and got nothing, SWIM tried it and got nothing, he googled it and found and result that clearly stated the degredation/oxidization from light.

Anyway SWIM was going to do a few tests before making a new thread
curcumin + white DMT
curcumin + harmalas (both sublingual) + DMT (any)
he also made a new food-safe extraction, though it's pretty messy. (add warm oil, squeeze oily turmeric through cloth after it has sat for a while)

very nice ,luckily i bought myself a couple of those black amber bottles ,so photo degradation shouldn't be a problem for me.Your food-safe extraction tek sounds more interesting than the acetone one and more economical,but have you made it already,
with the right proportions ? also how did you know that 5-6 ml of the curcumin oil would be a good dose?

This tech is nice, but you can get the effects of curcumin without extraction.

If you mix 2 parts ground turmeric with 1 part ground black pepper and put it in a capsule you can feel the curcumin. You don't need much either. One size 000 capsule orally is enough for a smooth slightly dreamy effect for SWIM. It's very mild though. Others might need a few capsules. But it definitely works orally this way. The effects sort of remind SWIM of marijuana, or maybe like passionflower at this dose. It's very mild.

Hmm, i always feel a bit dreamy after a good indonesian dish. Indonesian food contains lot's of turmeric, peppers and other herbs. Very often, the spices are mixed in a sauce with cocosmilk wich is probably a bit simmilar to the almonds in 'spacejam'.

A good indonesian meal has about the same effects on me as a few glasses of wine, in the sense that it gives me a mild feeling of sedation.

It fit's 69rons description.

One Thing one must not forget when doing this tek is to wear gloves,very important.
Because curcuma is like permanent yellow ink,i totally forgot to wear gloves and my hands are bright yellow and it will not come off .

Did you try washing it off with rubbing alcohol (IPA).

Turmeric is indeed active and very much so, I currently have a medium intense foggy, dreamy state with a rather good body euphoria after eating four 000 capsules with turmeric and two with pepper. I also have a small headache and a bit stomach upset, nothing intense, but I think my next trial will be with an extraction.

Do you guys know you can already buy 95% pure curcumin and piperine extracts at most health food stores? You can even buy them already together in one tiny tablet in the right ratio for oral use.

yes i did and it barely washes off, worst case is my hand will be yellow all week .

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would this be good enough to produce the desired Maoi effects ?

turmeric (Curcuma longa) extract (root)† ............... 500 mg
((standardized to contain 95% curcuminoids))

Bioperine® (Piper nigrum) extract (fruit) †† ............... 5.3 mg
(standardized to contain 95% piperine) ............... 5 mg

vitamin C (as ascorbyl palmitate) ............... 10 mg

When using black pepper to boost the effects of curcumin orally by 2000%, you only need 400 mg of black pepper (about 1/4 tsp). Black pepper usually contains at least 5% piperine, and often more. All you need is 20 mg of piperine to boost the effects of curcumin orally. 400 mg of black pepper at 5% piperine contains 20 mg of piperine.

It's low on the piperine. According to the studies I saw, you need 20 mg of piperine. 5 is not enough.

what about the curcumin alone ?

from my calculations, 5ml of the tincture(45g total) was about 7.5g of turmeric but i wonder how much of curcumin is in there?

I would like to know that myself. I've been looking for that information.

Maybe if curcumin is combined with piperine orally it can activate DMT orally. But without piperine, I'm pretty sure it's not going to work unless you take a ton of curcumin. Without piperine, you need to take 20 times as much curcumin. So if say 500 mg was enough for MAOI activity with 20 mg of piperine, then on it’s own you’d need 10 grams of curcumin! So, I wouldn’t even bother using it orally without piperine.

Turmeric contains up to 5% curcumin, so 500mg of that 95% extract should equal > 9.5g of curcumin. So a bit more than the tincture you consumed, but keep in mind that most substances are very much more active sublingual than orally.