I chose "no" because "convince" implies they were against it in the first place. I think if they aren't ready for it, it's probably for a reason.
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go on then  Though "try to convince" should not = nag.
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I don't think you should try to convince anyone of anything in this category.... Every person should have a desire to seek these entheogens out. If they don't, it could result in bad things happening...the lack of proper intention or knowledge about the substance could be very bad. *We are now at a phase of human development where we have accumulated an enormous amount of knowledge through scientific research in the material world. This is very important knowledge, but it must be integrated. -Hoffman *A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading -C.S. Lewis cephalopods are enlightened -benzyme T R I P S I T
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I've been trying to convince a good friend to try pharma because i believe it would enhance his human experience in ways he doesn't understand yet. He's open minded but has alot of preconceived notions about it that I'm trying to help him overcome through education. "I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect." J. Krishnamurti ~ The Dissolution of the Order of the Star. 1929http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erjAzA753sg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEU5pBxY6E
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I think it’s always a good idea to educate people on psychedelic and what they really are. There’s so much anti-drug information out there, and so much incorrect information concerning psychedelics, that teaching the average person about psychedelics can be difficult. But it should be done. In some cultures that use ayahuasca, and similar traditions such as peyote use, it’s mostly men that partake, and in some cases all male members of a society partake in the ritual, even those people you might think are “too weak minded to be exposed to psychedelics” often take part or in some case might even be required to take part, as is the case in some Yopo rituals. Convincing someone to try psychedelics is a tricky one. If you are sure they will benefit from the experience, it’s a shame not to educate them on it. But pushing them into it, I’m not sure I like that idea, but some cultures do that and if you don’t take the psychedelic you are banished from their society (this usually applies to males only). You may remember me as 69Ron. I was suspended years ago for selling bunk products under false pretenses. I try to sneak back from time to time under different names, but unfortunately, the moderators of the DMT-Nexus are infinitely smarter than I am.
If you see me at the waterpark, please say hello. I'll be the delusional 50 something in the American flag Speedo, oiling up his monster guns while responding to imaginary requests for selfies from invisible teenage girls.
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stevowitz wrote:I don't think you should try to convince anyone of anything in this category....
Every person should have a desire to seek these entheogens out.
If they don't, it could result in bad things happening...the lack of proper intention or knowledge about the substance could be very bad. If you convince someone about it and they end up with the wrong intentions, then that is your fault. When I discuss entheogens with none users, I talk of my experiences, how I have benefitted and the care I have used finding out the relevant information and the risks. If you choose the individual wisely and think there is good reason this person should know what they could know and further more have good reason to believe the individual would in fact b e greatful for such experiences, then there's absolutely no problem. Not sharing this knowledge is sinful.
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69ron wrote:
Convincing someone to try psychedelics is a tricky one. If you are sure they will benefit from the experience, it’s a shame not to educate them on it. But pushing them into it, I’m not sure I like that idea, but some cultures do that and if you don’t take the psychedelic you are banished from their society (this usually applies to males only).
That society seems to have a nice rational approach lol . As awful as that might sound I think the main reason somone of sound mind wouldent' want to have a deep and meaningful life experience is fear. I don't believe fear has a place in any society . "I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect." J. Krishnamurti ~ The Dissolution of the Order of the Star. 1929http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erjAzA753sg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEU5pBxY6E
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soulfood wrote:stevowitz wrote:I don't think you should try to convince anyone of anything in this category....
Every person should have a desire to seek these entheogens out.
If they don't, it could result in bad things happening...the lack of proper intention or knowledge about the substance could be very bad. If you convince someone about it and they end up with the wrong intentions, then that is your fault. When I discuss entheogens with none users, I talk of my experiences, how I have benefitted and the care I have used finding out the relevant information and the risks. If you choose the individual wisely and think there is good reason this person should know what they could know and further more have good reason to believe the individual would in fact b e greatful for such experiences, then there's absolutely no problem. Not sharing this knowledge is sinful. I agree with this post, not shareing this is sinful. Even if you misjudged somones ability to cope with the experience and they had a rough go i still think its worth it even if one in every three people had a bad experience with it my response would be this. ' if you wanna make an omelette you gotta break a few eggs ' "I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect." J. Krishnamurti ~ The Dissolution of the Order of the Star. 1929http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erjAzA753sg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEU5pBxY6E
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RayOfLight wrote:another thing about mental stability is what if they are already crazy could psychedelics bring them back ? The potential for use of psychedelic compounds for mental healthcare purposes is perhaps the most compelling reason for decriminalization, and was the focus of much of Albert Hofmann's work. That said, it's not something that an untrained user should experiment with. An already-unstable person could suffer an extreme negative reaction and permanently damage themselves or others physically and/or mentally.
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I chose: no Educate, or simply share the information and let the being decide for themselves. If they choose to imbibe, then be there with the well-prepared medicine, proper intentions, the coherence necessary to hold space and an onlooking of compassion, intelligence and understanding. "Within your heart is a lotus, and within this lotus is a diamond. This diamond is the source of creation, and in all the creation, there is only one lotus."
"Only from the Heart can you touch the sky." ~ Rumi
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don't get me wrong, I'll always share the information. but It will be in a non-biased way and I don't ask them if they want to try anything... I always let them ask me. *We are now at a phase of human development where we have accumulated an enormous amount of knowledge through scientific research in the material world. This is very important knowledge, but it must be integrated. -Hoffman *A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading -C.S. Lewis cephalopods are enlightened -benzyme T R I P S I T
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I chose NO as well. But I do feel that proper psychedelic education should be a requirement in high school. Also several well known self help techniques should also be a requirement in high school. They teach how to read, write, mathematics, history, etc., but nothing to teach you how to better yourself as a human being. No tools for this are given. It’s quite sad. I guess the church is supposed to fill that gap, but I think they do a very poor job of it. You may remember me as 69Ron. I was suspended years ago for selling bunk products under false pretenses. I try to sneak back from time to time under different names, but unfortunately, the moderators of the DMT-Nexus are infinitely smarter than I am.
If you see me at the waterpark, please say hello. I'll be the delusional 50 something in the American flag Speedo, oiling up his monster guns while responding to imaginary requests for selfies from invisible teenage girls.
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69ron wrote:I chose NO as well.
But I do feel that proper psychedelic education should be a requirement in high school. Also several well known self help techniques should also be a requirement in high school.
They teach how to read, write, mathematics, history, etc., but nothing to teach you how to better yourself as a human being. No tools for this are given. It’s quite sad.
I guess the church is supposed to fill that gap, but I think they do a very poor job of it. Albert Hofmann wrote:This is a very, very deep problem of our time in that we no longer have a religious basis in our lives. Even with religion, with the churches, they are no longer convincing with their dogma. And people need a deep spiritual foundation for their lives. In older times it was religion, with their dogmas, which people believed in, but today those dogmas no longer work. We cannot believe things which we know are not possible, that are not real. We must go on the basis of what we know, that everybody can experience. On this basis, you must find the entrance to the spiritual world. Because many young people are looking for meaningful experiences, they are looking for this thing which is the opposite of the material world. Not all young people are looking for money and power. Some are looking for a happiness and satisfaction which is of the spiritual world, not the materialistic world. They are looking, but there are no sanctioned paths. And, of course, one of the ways young people are using is with psychedelic drugs. Link
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I chose 'no' But i do think it can be a good thing to invite people who seem to be ready for the experience. So i will invite people to join me if they continue to show genuine interest and sincere intentions. So far none of those few have taken the offer. “The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
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I will tell someone of my experiences and if they ask I will be open to it, depending on the person if I think they will have issues with it being beyond their ability to deal with I will flatly tell them I cannot help them in that regard. When you introduce someone to a strong mind altering drug their mental health is in your hands. It is not something to be taken lightly. I have to be very sure of someones mentality before I would ever offer them any psychadelic ever. In truth if they want the experience they can find it themselves you did didnt you? Not like this forum is secret. If you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing.
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