Fractal enchantment, this other higher level you talk about has been discussed before on another forum. The shaman discussing it was a snuff expert, and he said that there are basically 3 dosage levels to the snuff. The one most people experience is level 1 where you get some bodily sensations, mild visual effects, etc. He said this is all people will experience no matter how much they take if the snuff is not properly made. Then there’s level 2 where you have strong visions, but are still very much grounded in reality. This level requires properly made snuff. But then there’s level 3 where it’s a completely immersive experience where you leave your body and enter the spirit world. Few people experience that level. SWIM has not experienced level 3.
The “mind fuck” you talk about is there but it’s not the same as what most people would call “mind fuck”. It’s very mild compared to DMT, and not really the same. For SWIM, at high doses it manifests itself as a marijuana like forgetfulness, where you’re experience the “here and now” and little else.
SWIM has not experience any psychedelic mind “warpage” of thoughts like you might with DMT, but then again, SWIM never reached a completely immersive level 3 experience with bufotenine.
The most SWIM has smoked, if I recall correctly, is 30 mg of pure off-white freebase bufotenine in one shot. The visions seen were fantastic. It was hard to type down the experience while there. SWIM tried really hard. He was sitting in front of the computer and normally he types really fast, but he had a hard time finishing each word. SWIM kept forgetting what he was typing, forgetting why he was typing. He kept losing his train of thought. It was nothing like the typical “mind fuck” but was definitely some level of mental intoxication.
One thing, I think bufotenine effects a lot of people differently. Bufoman writes about using pure freebase bufotenine at high doses and not experiencing true visions. SWIM experiences very detailed visions at high doses and nearly always hears sounds. The sounds are heard as almost real sounds. This is unique to bufotenine for SWIM, and I’ve only heard a few other people report this effect.
I think how some people metabolize bufotenine might be very different. Bufotenine is a natural component of the brain, and we have enzymes specifically made to destroy it. I think bufotenine itself is not the main active alkaloid in the brain, but rather a breakdown product of bufotenine is producing the effects in the brain. This is why the trip duration is long and feels like it’s morphing into a new compound as the trip progresses. Most people note that bufotenine becomes more and more like psilocybin as the trip progresses. The onset is totally nothing like psilocybin, but the tail end of the trip is very similar to psilocybin. I think the compound is actually decomposing or being altered in the brain, so that the actual psychedelic effects are not from bufotenine, but from a new compound being created from it right in the body/brain. This would help explain why so many people report different effects from it.
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