So i found a short article claiming a pretty significant discovery. I would really love to discuss this with those here with a good bit of experience.

the link is Salted States of DMT

if indeed the ions that attach to the freebase have a pattern to follow for the change in properties, then what more could we learn about DMT in this new light.

Happy Learning!

Wow, just wow.
I genuinely hope that guy was just high as shit when he wrote that
It's filled with warning signs, so many I'm almost tempted to think it's a joke.
Almost.
• I could excuse the profusion of typos, since he was probably high, but there is a clear lack of some basic scientific background and knowledge that makes any 'findings' dubious.
• Do Not Smoke Xylene! The guy actually says to smoke xylene, do not do this.
• One thing he argued was differing properties to different DMT salts, this was correct. Don't misread it to think that the DMT will feel different when used, though. He's right, DMT•HCl is annoying goop while DMT bifumarate makes nice crystals [Its fumarate, not fumerate. The latter being a common typo among folks without much chemistry experience, I've found. One of the warning signs.]
• DMT•HCl is extremely stable.
• If, and I repeat IF DMT ascorbate is stable then it would still be unstable enough that it could probably be smoked as he describes. I'm not sure it would be safe, but the ascorbate would be unstable enough that even if it was shelf stable it wouldn't be DMT vaporization heat stable. This finding of his might actually work. His product was caramel-like because the ascorbic acid was decomposing by auto-oxidation.
• Sure, FASA methods result in a loss of all acetone used, for most people. This is the price they pay for not having the technical capacity and lab training to safely recycle acetone. But it's not much of a cost. I only recycle things like acetone because I love distilling things.
• Do Not Drink DMSO to cure cancer!
• And, once again, Do Not Smoke Xylene!


I may try making DMT ascorbate some day just to see if it is stable, I've toyed with the idea before but since an ascorbic acid stock solution wouldn't be stable and I wouldn't want to smoke DMT ascorbate it just seemed like a more difficult alternative to DMT bifumarate.

FWIW, he was originally suggesting to put the DMT ascorbate solution through an (ultrasonic?) atomizer. Even so, it's still no reason to inhale xylene.

He does then go on to describe thermal vaporization of semi-solid DMT ascorbate, which very unsurprisingly gives a caramel smell and leaves a black residue. His observation regarding sugar is only marginally valid and, sadly, he does not take care to distinguish between sucrose - which the term "sugar" commonly refers to - and glucose. While glucose may be termed a reducing sugar it would not be sensible to use it as an admixture when vaporizing freebase DMT.

DMT might be acting as a catalyst for auto-oxidation of ascorbic acid/ascorbate as ascorbate is less table under alkaline conditions. I feel the shelf-life of DMT ascorbate would be rather limited outside of an argon-filled glass vial in the deep freeze. No wonder he was in such a hurry to smoke it

I reread over the article and i still don't see where he actually says to smoke the xylene. the only mention of smoking anything other than salt that i see is the water cut. I had to reread the paragraph a couple times (cuz im ADD as fuck) but from what i got out of it the dmt salt should form and fall into the water layer and should be free of the xylene or other solvent.

also i can wholeheartedly agree with elrik that the guy has no clue about health and safety when talking about DMSO. it doesnt take a whole lot of that stuff to kill a person, if i remember correctly only a few mL will do the job. VERY DANGEROUS stuff for sure.

im more interested in discussing what other implications might arise from exploring the connections between the acids relativity to glucose and the stability of salts that form.

He said the crude DMT ascorbate does not need to be fully separated from the xylene to smoke.
I'd find the quote but that site isn't playing well with my browser at the moment and I didn't save a copy.
If you want to explore salts similar to glucose then ascorbic acid would be one of the worst choices, due to it's notorious instability which would only be made worse as a salt, as downward said. A better option would be gluconic acid, which is glucose oxidized to an acid.
That's not to say finding a bottle of pure gluconic acid would be easy, but potassium gluconate can be found in pharmacies and gluconate can be made by electrolytic oxidation of glucose.

I still wouldn't want to smoke sugars, but much fun could be had by exploring different salts of DMT in the home lab. We don't even have the fumarate or bifumarate well characterized much less the bitartrate, lactate, various citrates and phosphates, etc. any of which could have properties that would prove a benefit in just the right purification protocol. Who knows, a xylene solution of ibuprofen could crash out DMT from xylene the way FASA crashes out the [bi?]fumatate from whatever the DMT is in.
Projects like that are on my list of fun to have, but I'm working on harmalas and mescaline for the rest of the year.