does the jungle spice always get extracted together with the DMT when using normans tek? if yes.. how can one seperate the two? is there some sort of seperation tek avaiable to read? another question would be what the difference is between jungle spice and the usual nn dmt? i know that jungle spice is an oil but i wanna know if it feels different from dmt when used. what sort of body feeling does it produce, how long does it work?

peace!

jungle spice can easily be extracted from mimosa root bark by just changing the solvent used during recovery of freebased spice. toluene and diethyl ether both extract nn dmt and this oily stuff that comes out in jungle spice. i dunno about nomans tek SWIM doesnt pay attention to the teks but a STB followed by toluene pulls will recover the red oil junk and dmt. jungle spice is a mixture of dmt and some other components (oils tannins etc and perhaps some other alkaloids although this is not known with certainty by anyone). jungle spice is basically the same as dmt except for some reason it is more potent. the other differences are minor. one can seperate the red oily junk from dmt by simple extracting the dmt out with warm hexane (the red oils are not soluble in hexane). if you do this enough times to exhaustively extract the dmt out of the jungle spice the jungle spice may be completely inactive. SWIM believes that the major active component in jungle spice is DMT. there is no evidence otherwise. somehow being immersed in plant oils or perhaps the presence of another alkaloid potentiates the effects of dmt in the jungle spice mixture. how this happens again unknown.

so SWIM could basically go with normans tek and do my naphta pulls and after that switch solvents and pull out the goo by using toluene. has anyone tried completely extracting every bit of DMT out of the goo and afterwards smoking the goo? it would be something SWIM would like to try just to see if there could be any other active principal hidden in mimosa other than DMT. or some other chemical which somehow potentiates DMT when smoked.

SWIM would do the toluene pulls first why waste the naptha? then use the naptha to get white spice out of the crude jungle spice extract. it would take a number of hexane extractions to completely remove the spice from the jungle mix but its possible. and yes a mix devoid of all spice would make an interesting experiment. btw SWIM likes the way jungle spice smokes the smoke was very smooth and SWIM got all SWIM needed in just one hit and the onset also was a bit smoother. Can't explain why. anyway with that said SWIM in some ways prefers smoking the jungle spice then white spice (which takes 3-4 good tokes).

SWIM thought about doing the naphta pulls first because with Normans Tek the naphta will be saved for further batches and naphta is much cheaper than toluene (at least it is where SWIM buys it) -naphta SWIM can get at his local hardware store toluene SWIM must order. SWIM has read a tek in which one should use toluene to pull from the basified mixture which has already been pulled out of with naphta. in that tek the SWIM did 4 pulls with naphta from the basified solution before doing 4-5 toluene pulls. the stuff SWIM aquired was supposed to be the bomb.

One can use xylene or toluene after the naptha pulls to get pretty much the same thing, the xylene seems to pull a little drier product though.
STB's and A/B's give different results too - STB's being the darker and oilier spice and A/B's being the waxy tannish red. I'll leave it to Swiy to decide if they're different in effect.
DMT n oxide is also soluable in xylene and toluene, so it's going to be present no matter how many washes you do though for some reason the heptane washes seem to dry out the jungle spice to some extent.
cheers, Norman

SWIM will try to aquire the drier, waxy red spice. It seems the closest to what SWIM has heard about the spice terrence mckenna used his first time. SWIM has also heard that one only needs one toke of it to blast off where one would need 2-4 tokes of white spice to get blasted.

This has been SWIMs experience.

SWIM will probably use the white crystals for ingestion and the jungle spice for smoking.. SWIM doesn't like to smoke because it stinks and hurts the lungs. so SWIM will stick with the jungle spice for smoking because its supposed to be a much smoother smoke and much easier to hold in your lungs as a non smoker.

what about vaporizing DMT? SWIM owns a aromed.com vaporizer. could SWIM use the white crystals with the vaporizer? how high should SWIM set the temperature for vaporization?

so, is it nescessary to evaporate the toluene or could you let the jungle spice crystalize in the fridge?

You cannot freeze precipitate it if you used toulene. It is way to soluable. The reason naphtha will crash out DMT when chilled is because DMT is not very soluable in naphtha to begin with.

You will need to let the toulene completely evaporate. If you want to pull out just the DMT from this alkaloid mix you will need to use warm bestine or naphtha. Pour it on, swirl it around and pull the naphtha off. What you have left will be a mix of quite a few alkaloids. You can then freeze precipitate the naphtha to crash out the DMT.