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Sadhaka wrote:I could write on and on but this post is already way tooo long. Anybody read it all? Yes, I read it all, and found it very interesting. For me, especially at higher doses, salvia induces profound ego loss – I don’t know who I am, what I am, where I am, etc. I have vague memories that the place I am at is somehow “new” and that I came from somewhere else, but I have no memories of that somewhere else. As a result, there’s rarely a feeling of loss or a longing for my old life – my old life simply ceases to exist. Regarding this: Sadhaka wrote:gibran2 wrote:We ARE biological machines, and there is no such thing as free will. (...) As biological organisms, we seek out pleasure, we avoid pain. But sensation of all sorts is valuable to our “higher selves”. Gibran, you are not right. It seems that your thinking is bound to the standards of modern times but currently science is closer then ever to break through its limitations. You quoted quite selectively there. Our bodies are biological machines, bound by the laws of physics like every other physical system that is composed of matter and energy. This is a fact, as much as anything can be a “fact”. But I went on to speculate that we are actually more than just biological mechanisms, and you, for whatever reason, decided to exclude those remarks from your quote. What I actually said was: gibran2 wrote:We ARE biological machines, and there is no such thing as free will. So then the question becomes, why are we here at all? My latest answer (subject to change at any moment  ) is that we exist so that our “higher selves” can experience what they are not. “They” (we) are eternal, immaterial beings. They have always existed, and always will. Physicality, birth, life and death, pain, pleasure, are all things that are consequences of our existence in a physical form. These are things that only physical beings can experience. Our “higher selves”, our “spirits” or “souls” experience physicality through us. gibran2 is a fictional character. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental.
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Posts: 2096 Joined: 20-Nov-2009 Last visit: 12-Nov-2023
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gibran2 wrote:Sadhaka wrote:I could write on and on but this post is already way tooo long. Anybody read it all? Yes, I read it all, and found it very interesting. For me, especially at higher doses, salvia induces profound ego loss – I don’t know who I am, what I am, where I am, etc. I have vague memories that the place I am at is somehow “new” and that I came from somewhere else, but I have no memories of that somewhere else. As a result, there’s rarely a feeling of loss or a longing for my old life – my old life simply ceases to exist. I rarely have remembrance of my current life of think that it's now lost and there is no place for goodbeyes (oyos de brujo). Regarding this: Sadhaka wrote:gibran2 wrote:We ARE biological machines, and there is no such thing as free will. (...) As biological organisms, we seek out pleasure, we avoid pain. But sensation of all sorts is valuable to our “higher selves”. Gibran, you are not right. It seems that your thinking is bound to the standards of modern times but currently science is closer then ever to break through its limitations. You quoted quite selectively there. Our bodies are biological machines, bound by the laws of physics like every other physical system that is composed of matter and energy. This is a fact, as much as anything can be a “fact”. But I went on to speculate that we are actually more than just biological mechanisms, and you, for whatever reason, decided to exclude those remarks from your quote. What I actually said was: gibran2 wrote:We ARE biological machines, and there is no such thing as free will. So then the question becomes, why are we here at all? My latest answer (subject to change at any moment ) is that we exist so that our “higher selves” can experience what they are not. “They” (we) are eternal, immaterial beings. They have always existed, and always will. Physicality, birth, life and death, pain, pleasure, are all things that are consequences of our existence in a physical form. These are things that only physical beings can experience. Our “higher selves”, our “spirits” or “souls” experience physicality through us. ? and therefore we can do our best to give it the wide full range experience ? interesting. and gibran2 I thinck there are few differences between our salvia vs dmt experiment. while I see human with magical in dmt, I'm more in a pure spirit, or draw raw shape design with salvia world. looks more abstract me altough some message are rather concrete in both worlds.. Smell like tea n,n spirit !
Toke the toke, and walk the walk !
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gibran2 wrote:You quoted quite selectively there. You are right. I'm sorry. I've read it all and I understand what you mean. Let me elaborate more on the subject without trying to judge your opinion. I will use that one sentence only as a introduction into a very interesting matter. Because I don't want to jump from one interesting topic to the other, I've posted it here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&m=245626I'm a philosopher and somehow I'm keen to minor details that has big implications. Sorry about that.
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