With all due respect for the deceased... Sadly it's irresponsible acts like this that ruin it for the responsible salvia smokers out there.

If you partake in salvia and live in the New York area, I'd suggest stocking up ASAP. Now there has officially been a death directly related to salvia in the news. I doubt it will be legal there for much longer.

I'm posting this from my mobile device at the moment and was unable to provide a link to the story. Perhaps someone else can for me? There was a story about it in todays Daily News.

*calls Bill Hicks to the room.....

Maybe he was just completely out of his mind and didnt even know there was a balcony. Moral of the story: Lock your window and hide the key, and ideally have a sitter, if youre gonna smoke salvia in a high -floor appartment

No, he wasn't alone and decided to smoke salvia while outside on the balcony. He then climbed up and pretended he was swimming on the edge of it. Apparently then he looked at his girlfriend with a blank stare and just jumped!

I'm sure he had no idea what happened but c'mon. Why would anyone decide to smoke salvia out on a balcony!?!?

How could the girl not have grabbed him when she saw him under the effects of a potent drug getting near the ledge? And yeah, how comes they thought this was a good idea in the first place to be there ?!

Jeeeeez!

I don't know but it's events like this that ruin it for the rest of us who partake responsibly.
It's sad but I can't help but be upset at this guy and his girlfriend. May he rest in peace.
If anyone can find the story and post the link I'd appreciate it. Otherwise I will post it as soon as I am able to.
Let it be a lesson to others. What a shame!

What do we always say... set & setting.
Setting includes the building/room/multistory building with balcony.

I would be asking some very stern questions to the women involved. How on earth could you let this happen?
The fault does not lay with salvia, this is irresponsibility to the nth degree.

http://www.nydailynews.c...re_leaping_to_death.html

What an asshole! Make that two assholes (him + his ex who let him smoke it on the balcony and didn't stop him from jumping).

Condolences to the family, of course. Losing someone so young, so suddenly, even if through their own very poor decision-making is painful. Right now there is an awful hole in their world, and I do not mean to belittle that in any way.

Edit: The article says the death is being investigated as a suicide. Clearly it was not; anyone familiar with the effects of salvia knows that it's not uncommon for people to wander around while their consciousness and body are in different places, and will have no memory of it once they return to baseline. It could be prudent to investigate it as a possible homicide, considering that the ex was around and didn't stop him (what's to say she didn't take a more active role?). But most likely it was simple death by misadventure.

*sigh*

It's sad that people have to lose their lives like this. Out of sheer ignorance. And yes, I would be looking at the girlfriend rather than calling this a suicide. You don't let someone who has just smoked Salvia climb up on a railing!! Or for that matter, you don't let anyone smoke Salvia out on a balcony of any sort!

Best wishes to his family. He's dead now because he was young and stupid. Thank God we don't all have to pay for our stupidity with our lives.

EDIT: The father of this poor young man says, "Sometimes the only way to stop people is to make them afraid. I want people to be afraid of this stuff."



Well, the whole fuckin' planet is controlled by fear, you at least have that right.

This was an accidental death this is not suicide and no one should be looking at the girlfriend. She didnt force him to do anything and we font know the real story any way. As far as smoking on the balcony yeah it was dumb but I can see the attraction. Smoke in a stuffy apartment or smoke outdoors overlooking the city seems like an obvious choice.

All that is true, if you know nothing about the plant you're smoking!!!!

Do your research people!!!! Come on!!!!!

If you google Salvia, there is tons of information about the plant and it's effects. It would only take me a couple minutes to realize that smoking it on a balcony is absolutely not a smart thing to do.

Wow, that sucks for people in NY. Course, it's already illegal here in FL. Let's not forget though, that we can rightfully, if hypocritically, call this event stupid and a blunder because we live in the world we live in. The media will blow it up, yes. They are biased in just the same way we perceive many Americans to be biased. I know it seems nearly impossible to change this in a nation of "sheep," but even sheep have feelings.

I think salvia is a stupid drug, but I find this news terribly depressing.

Your son was an idiot.



Shit... are you working for the DEA or something?



Not even the Mazatecs understand what this is.



Sometimes the only way to stop people from jumping from balconies is to educate them. I want people to be knowledgeable about this stuff.



Your son was an idiot.

Why is it when a single person smokes salvia and tragically dies, it’s news. Yet every day – every single day, stupid people drink and drive and then kill themselves and/or others and it’s not news?

Alcohol is a socially acceptable drug. Regardless of the significant harm it causes to society and individuals, it is socially acceptable.

Salvia isn’t socially acceptable. Regardless of how little it harms individuals and society, it remains unacceptable.

People aren’t rational.

"if he thought he could fly why didn't he take off from the ground first to check it out? you dont see ducks lined up in front of elevators waiting to fly south. they take off from the ground you moron. quit ruining it for everybody" BH

Very tragic. No doubt the media and and the general attitude out there will blow this up. Even though this was an isolated incident, I doubt it will matter. We'll see. They'll demonize the plant, while not being able to see the larger picture. To quote some comments made on that article, "you can't regulate everything. Sometimes people just do stupid things". "His parents will no doubt sue R. Kelly for making that song, "I believe I could fly". Life is dangerous, sometimes people jump off buildings for a whole bunch of reasons. They get depressed, etc. I was depressed as a young person. I thought about suicide every day for years. Then I opened myself up and wondered why the hell was the govnerment trying to block me from true joy? All that time I had been living a castrated life. I never broke any rules, I said no to all drugs, and you know what? Life was BORING. It was so empty, I felt no reason to live it. I saw no reason why I couldn't step sideways every once in a while, and still easily maintain all my responsibilities in life.

Sometimes people die, they fall down stairs, no matter how many safety regulations you put on stairs. With life comes death. People have died of everything imaginable. I'm not trying to be cold, or be particularly philosophical, I'm just stating some basic facts of life that a lot of people don't seem to accept. Criminalizing the plant and the people will only result in more pain and suffering..... and for a lot more people than one man in an isolated incident.... who for some reason chose to take powerful substance while on a balcony.... with his ex-girlfriend. But those who wish to cause pain and fear for others do not see themselves as an instrument of death. They see people who use the plant as an enemy, just as bad as if someone pushed that student off the balcony. It is sad. It really is. I've been grappling with these ideas lately, as more places are set t ban one of the most special things on the planet. It saddens and frustrates me that people seem to refuse to take responsibility for their own lives. If something bad happens, blame must be put on someone or something, someone else must pay. And so, rather than take responsibility for their own lives, people would rather give someoene else the power to take your life. Rather than make their own decisions on what to put in to their body, people would rather give someone else the right to point a gun at you, ransack your home, kidnap you and throw you in with the most violent people on earth for years at a time. It's madness. And is there any recrouse against people who put you in jail and the hell one is put through there? Is there any recourse for the beatings and rapings and hellish conditions in jail? No. But if someone gets coffee spilled on themselves, they can sue for millions. Just a point about people not being able to see the big picture. They'll focus on whatever issue of the day, be outraged about it, then wipe a cold hand of "justice" over that issue by declaring war, and then they'll never think about the issue again, nor the cost that their decision might make.

Some disturbing comments made by the father, ""Sometimes the only way to stop people is to make them afraid. I want people to be afraid of this stuff." And by 'be afraid of this stuff', he means, "I'll do everything in my power to get this thing out of the market.... it cannot be legal anymore." This disturbs me because this philosophy can be applied it can be applied to absolutely anyone, for any issue. This merely reinforces the idea that violence and fear are the answer. Sure, this comment was made by a grieving father, but how hard would it be to imagine this same comment being made by a person on the edge? I don't condone violence, I don't agree with the father's statement at all, but how hard would it be to imagine someone on the opposite side of the coin? There are people out there who do believe they have the right to certain things. So what if they decide one day they're going to take drastic action and decide "sometimes the only way to stop people is to make them afraid", and then they decide to go out and shoot a bunch of people. What happens if both sides decide that the only way to stop the other side is to make them afraid? What happens is you get both sides killing each other. That is NOT what we want.

Maybe Jared Loughner felt nothing was getting done, and he realized, sometimes the only way to get anything done is to take drastic action. And take action he did. Something did get done. He killed 6 innocent people and mortally wounded his target. And did anything positive get done? Of course not! No, striking fear in people is not the right way to get things done in most cases. What disturbs me is that people do not take in to account the true cost of "making people afraid". They don't count those who are afraid as potential victimes, potential lives lost. They just care about their own agenda of ridding the world of this or that, with no concern for the cost, no concern that what they might unleash on the world might be worse than whatever it is they are fighting against. They become the monster they wish to destroy. "Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster".

Well, I assure everyone in the world, I am "afriad" of what Salvia divinorum can do. I know full well its effects, and I still choose to do it. And rest assured, I am far more afraid by a great order of magnitude, of what police might do..... and I still choose my own path in life. I cannot allow the threat of violence to stop me from living my own life. Please don't kill me for that. Please??

Not my cup of tea as well.

My one and only Salvia trip involved slamming my head against the backboard of my bed while I was under the influence. I remember this overwhelming feeling of beings descending from above and me trying to reach them. Next thing I know blood is gushing from my head while I assume the consciousness of the wall next to me.

Not fun and not something I would do again with any sort of danger around me. In fact, probably something I'll just stay away from all together.

The spice is much more gentle and much less violent.

I can't believe how true this is. People of the world, please wake the fuck up. I am so sick of hearing you snore.

However, this is not a DMT vs Salvia thread.
There are people who have had wonderful experiences and have went to incredible places on Salvia (Ice House, gibran2, fractal enchantment, etc)
And also people who have had horrific/lame trips on DMT and also others who are totally unaffected by the substance.

The point is... Salvia is not a stupid drug. And it can cause a wonderful or horrible experience depending on many factors.