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ElfSpice
#21 Posted : 1/21/2008 4:36:45 PM

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Rainbowserpent did not write this TEK
it was sent to him by the one who taught him and pointed the way.
word for word copied from ME! Elfspice
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#22 Posted : 1/21/2008 6:03:19 PM
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could someone edit the original post into something more readable? Shocked

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crystalcompass
#23 Posted : 1/26/2008 8:29:06 PM
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ElfSpice wrote:
Rainbowserpent did not write this TEK
it was sent to him by the one who taught him and pointed the way.
word for word copied from ME! Elfspice


Laughing

rainbowserpent's account is locked so that person can't change that post.

did you write the elfspice tek? that one gave rainbowserpent lots of issues Wink If anything marsofold needs more credit because that was a great starting point.
 
The Traveler
#24 Posted : 1/26/2008 10:47:59 PM

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crystalcompass wrote:
ElfSpice wrote:
Rainbowserpent did not write this TEK
it was sent to him by the one who taught him and pointed the way.
word for word copied from ME! Elfspice


Laughing

rainbowserpent's account is locked so that person can't change that post.


rainbowserpent's account is locked? Shocked

Anyone can tell me why and should it stay that way?
 
crystalcompass
#25 Posted : 1/27/2008 5:06:43 PM
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The Traveler wrote:
crystalcompass wrote:
ElfSpice wrote:
Rainbowserpent did not write this TEK
it was sent to him by the one who taught him and pointed the way.
word for word copied from ME! Elfspice


Laughing

rainbowserpent's account is locked so that person can't change that post.


rainbowserpent's account is locked? Shocked

Anyone can tell me why and should it stay that way?


rainbowserpent changed their email and the administrator of the sight never updated it so they can't log in. Nothing major.
 
The Traveler
#26 Posted : 1/27/2008 5:40:11 PM

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I'm a bit confused now.

Is Rainbowserpent unable to logon to the DMT-Nexus? And if so, is that due to a forgotten password which can't be retrieved due to a changed e-mail adres?

If this is the case then Rainbowserpent can send me an email via my email button and we will work things out.


Kind regards,

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#27 Posted : 1/27/2008 7:11:17 PM
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I found this tek on the web. It seems very similar to this one, minus a few things and the measurements are different. Can anyone inform me on whether this one will work as well, or maybe better?

How to easily make DMT:
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Break 1-Pound of Mimosa Hostilis rootbark into 2" pieces and
grind it all up in a glass-topped blender, a little at a time.

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Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug:

1-Quart White Vinegar & 3-Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot,

then fill it with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high".

After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset,

and pour off most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container.

Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again.

Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner,

hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container

again. Discard the rootbark fiber and save the two combined extractions in the 1-gallon

container. Allow the vegetable particles in the extraction in the 1-gallon container to

settle to the bottom overnight. Then pour off the liquid into an empty 1-Gallon glass

wine jug, being careful not to pour off any of the vegetable sludge at the bottom.

Discard the sludge and keep the contents of the wine jug.
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Basification: Premix in advance a solution of:

5 Tablespoons (63grams) of Sodium Hydroxide ("Red Devil" lye) with 1-Pint of WARM Water.

Stir well. Slowly add this solution to the wine jug, then cap the jug.

Gently tilt the wine jug back and forth for 1 full minute to mix the contents.
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Nonpolar Extraction: Add 250ml of (Ace Hardware)VM&P Naptha to the wine jug.

Add exactly enough warm water to the jug to raise the liquid level to an inch below the top,

then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug slowly back and forth for 5 full minutes to

mix the contents. Allow the jug to sit undisturbed on a table for at least 4 hours.

There should now be two layers visible in the jug, a lower dark one and a smaller

clear one on top filling the neck of the jug. Use a glass turkey baster to suck up

the top clear layer into a pint mason jar. Be careful not to suck up any of the

lower brown/black layer into the mason jar.
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Freeze-precipitation/wash: place the sealed mason jar in a FREEZER for 3 days

to precipitate the crystals. Prepare a filter setup by placing a funnel into a

quart mason jar and putting a small coffee filter paper into the funnel.

Shake the naptha in the mason jar strongly to stir up all the crystals at the bottom

and quickly pour while still very cold into the funnel for filtering.

Impure yellow-white DMT crystals will be seen on the coffee filter paper.

Allow the crystals to completely dry out on the filter paper in the funnel.

Premix a wash solution by mixing equal parts of Distilled Water and

NON-SOAPY clear Ammonium Hydroxide(Ace Hardware Janitorial Strength Ammonia) into

a pint container. Slowly pour 100ml of the wash solution over the

crystals (still in the filter paper) to wash them. Remove the filter paper from the funnel,

spread it out flat and allow the crystals to COMPLETELY dry out. You will now have

2-1/2 grams of white crystal DMT. At least 50 strong doses.

Mix it with some parsley and smoke a little in your favorite pipe!
 
sippyj
#28 Posted : 1/28/2008 8:27:52 PM

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Yeah that is the Marsofold tek, a very good A/B extraction tek
 
rainbowserpent
#29 Posted : 2/4/2008 11:54:21 PM
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Thank you Very happy

unlocked!

Rainbowserpent will get on that original post in a few days time and rearrange it/try to go into possible further explanation on sections they assumed were easy from experience but were not necessarily so.

Comments/suggestions/criticisms.......send 'em over!!!! Smile

...changed a few things...so far...
 
Buaah
#30 Posted : 2/15/2008 3:32:00 PM
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Could you give more detail for the amount of NaOH needed? All you give is 6-8 tablespoons for a half-gallon of liquid. Could you give an exact ratio of tablespoons/grams per liter?
 
El Ka Bong
#31 Posted : 2/15/2008 6:55:57 PM

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I would add these points -

Yes Grind the heck out of the bark - 'pulveize' it !

A ratio of 30 g MHRB to 250 ml of acidified-water works well - that's the same as in this recipe - so smaller batches can be sized up from this ratio.

You can make 5 cups (1250 ml) of pH 2 water by adding JUST 5 ml of muriatic acid (35% = 12M HCl)..! This is way easier it seem than boiling the heck out of some smelly vinegar stew ! I say be patient, just wait 8 - 12 hours for the MHRB to soak in the acidified water. (A pH of 2.0 will not harm the dmt molecule, but with time and heat, pH's above 10 are able to cause other reactions that destroy dmt.)

So to make it easier I suggest NOT heating the acid extract, and by using a pH 2.0 HCl soak, and by shaking-the-shit-out-of-it for a day, you'll get ALL of the dmt out in just 2 acid soaks ! That means way less volume of purple extract..!

It helps to filter the acid-extract when you pour it off - use these to get uber-clear purple extract ( http://www.whatman.com/Q...PapersAshlessGrades.aspx ). Leaving it to settle in the fridge helps pouring-off anything you filter.

I say skip the freezer-precip' business, as that is just extra fiddling around and potentially you don't get every bit of dmt out. Naphtha is cheap, just evaporate it all in an easy-to-scrape tray.

Let me de-personalize the concept of a 'Tek' - just to offer critique without meaning to offend anyone personally ... This is what this forum is for, right ?!


To say "Marsofold's Tek" .. "Noman's Tek" or even a "gumby's method" works to specify a recipe, like cooking a meat loaf. But we are doing something very specific here, it should be precise, with little room for 'personal' variations, as you might get with cooking. There are 'rules' that belong to no-one, they are just facts of organic chemistry that we should all understand well enough to guide us as we make-up our own teks.

I want white, pure dmt everytime, in the safest, quickest way possible, with the highest yeild. Meatloaves could be all quite different ... and all very tasty, but we know that with dmt it's different - tales of yucky, 'harsh', impotent spice reports abound !

So if we consider the guidelines offered 'scientifically' by organic chemists when doing an acid-base separation, you have to consider target pH's, derived from the pKa of the alkaloid you seek to purify. Also you choose the best solvent to selectivly 'pull' out the alkaloid you're after - a very scientifically understood process.

So I'll remind us that the pKa of dmt is a pH of 8.7 - this is when dmt starts to become insoluble in water, flipping between dmt-salt and dmt-freebase. The water stars to get grey and cloudy at this pH ...

The pH to extract dmt so that it is soluble in water is 2.0 - 4.0. Use HCl or lemon juice to get pH's as low as 2, vinegar is closer to a pH of 4.0. Dmt is invisbly soluble in water at this pH range.

The pH to target when basifying the filtered, acid-extract is the (pKa of the alkaloid + 2.5) ... 8.7 + 2.5 = 11.2. This is the point when the stuff turns jet-black, oily-black, and NONE of the dmt is able to exist as a soluble salt, it's all dmt-freebase.


So my point is that the choice of acids to use, choice of solvents, the acid-soak-time and acid-heat-time are variable like with cooking, but with organic chemistry there are some very specific rules to remember - the 'rules' about pH's to target should not be varied. You could even use potassium hydroxide (KOH) instead of lye (NaOH), but you'd still be aiming for pH 11.2 when basifying, not 13 as suggested in some teks . ( I thought the Mars' tek also called for "pH 13", but maybe that was the pH of the Lye-stock solution ..?!).

Anyhow, all this repetion might be boring ... so just go extract enlightenent everyone !
 
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#32 Posted : 2/4/2016 1:37:47 AM
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El Ka Bong wrote:
I would add these points -

Yes Grind the heck out of the bark - 'pulveize' it !

A ratio of 30 g MHRB to 250 ml of acidified-water works well - that's the same as in this recipe - so smaller batches can be sized up from this ratio.

You can make 5 cups (1250 ml) of pH 2 water by adding JUST 5 ml of muriatic acid (35% = 12M HCl)..! This is way easier it seem than boiling the heck out of some smelly vinegar stew ! I say be patient, just wait 8 - 12 hours for the MHRB to soak in the acidified water. (A pH of 2.0 will not harm the dmt molecule, but with time and heat, pH's above 10 are able to cause other reactions that destroy dmt.) !



Thanks for the suggestion, from someone moving from a house that has a well ventilated kitchen with a window, into a small apartment Thumbs up
 
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