this is AWESOME news!! SWIM has just successfully done his first Marsofold extraction complete with xylene defat and ammonia wash at the end. ended up with beautiful, snow-white crystals that have proven to be a true sacrament!! SMIM has gone on 8 journeys now and broke through at .04 grams....this has been SMIMs dose for the past 3 journeys but he is ready to see what may lie beyond....so far, SWIM has just been smoking it solo with a friend as a sitter. the chocolate and THH additions sound like they might be a perfect next step....SWIM has definitely adopted the RESPECT THE SPICE technique of exploration so anyone with the whole "dude, smoke a ton of it right off the bat" attitude are not feeling SWIMs vibe. any other advice from fellow explorers as to how SWIM might "gradually" explore hyperspace? LOVE AND GRATITUDE!

Today i took ayahuasca with some theobromine added to it. I had a very strange experience in the sense that it was shorter then all my other ayahuasca experiences (over within 4 hours) but it definately had the "WHoa" factor. Initially there was a strange sort of claustrophobic feeling, like:'oh shit, this time i've realy done it, me, simple soul, stuck here inside this little mind'. Some of us are probably familiar with that feeling. But then it turned very beautyfull after i drunk a glass of water. For some reason that calmed me (drinking water).
It took about one hour for it to work but then it hit me hard. Within seconds everything in and around me seemed to exist solely out of a bundle of energetic, spinning wires. The visions i had when i closed my eyes where more bizar then normal, in that they didn't seem to make much sense. I saw a spongebod sort of banana-cartoon, emiting green laserbeams, for instance. And i saw my own organs like i had no skin (with closed eyes).
It amazes me how different ayahuasca is each time.

In my experience, the theobromine makes the whole experience freakier, a little more 5-MeO-'*' like, but less visual or at least less colourfull. But yes, the term 'whoa' is certainly justified in my opinion.

Wow, this is a really interesting thread.

I've got some Theobromo Cacao powder but not the actual active constituent Theobromine. Can anyone offer any advice in translating doseage between the 2? How much Theobromine is typically is Theobrom Cacao?

I definitely plan to try it out next time I take pharmahuasca, just want to get an idea of dosages.

Thanks

I wouldn't know, i've got my theobromine (99%) from maya-ethnobotanicals. Most people don't like the taste of chocolate while they're on ayahuasca, so i don't know if your idea is worth trying.

Chocolate is the one and only thing that makes SWIM get nausea on pharmahuasca. Is it the theobromine in it causing the nausea?

Well, i know i didn't experience any nausea from this combo. I guess it's not the theobromine that causes the nausea. Not just because of personal experience but also because there are other herbs that contain xanthine's like maté and guayusa that are very ofen used in traditional ayahuasca brews and i never heard anybody complain of nausea from those herbs.
Cocoa contains many substances that could interfere with ayahuasca and that could be responsible for the nausea. Like phenethylamine, choline and tyramine.
It could also be the sugar and fats in chocolade.

I tried 293mg of Theobroma Cacao followed 15 minutes later with 120ml of harmala extract (equating to 2.5g syrian rue seeds) drunk over the next 25 minutes. An hour ten minutes later 60mg of DMT fumarate. I do think the Theobroma Cacao strengthened the effects from what I'd've experienced without it. I only really got closed eye visuals but I guess with 60mg DMT T. Cacao can only do so much. I plan on trying some Theobromine shortly.

try taking the theobromine or cacao 1 hour before ingesting anything

From other posts on this subject there didn't seem to be the need to wait much between theobromine & anything else, probably try it in future though.
By the way, I didn't experience any nausea with the T. Cacao.

SWIM will have to give this combo a try again and see what he can figure out..because his normal 50mg dmt and around 150mg harmala alkies..turned into something 5 times stronger..waay more intense than smoking even..perhaps he will try it with 15mg to start off..

he was also using pure theobromine..and a lot of it at that...so he will try perhaps

300mg theobromine - wait 30-60 minutes

then

10-15mg dmt fumarate
100mg thh
and maybe 30mg harmaline

and see what happens

293mg of Theobroma Cacao doesn't sound like enough to have any effect at all.

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Whats the deal with the PEA in chocolate? If taken with an MAO-B Inhibitor like Kava Kava, would it not allow some PEA to be absorbed and possibly synergize with the other 'Huasca chemicals?

Just wondering...I LOVE chocolate and it always warms up smoked spice for me personally...
I had kola nut but spilt it before having a chance to use it as an enhancer.


Thanks,

Peace,

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Not sure, I think it had some little effect. I wouldn't've expected anything much from 60mg DMT otherwise. But yes I'd got 300mg stuck in my head from somewhere as a good dose to start off on, didn't realise it was in relation to theobromine rather than T. Cacao.
Anyone know the proportion of Theobromine in T. Cacao?